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Here's an interesting article about abusive conditions at a Honduras factory where Donald Trump shirts are manufactured.

Employees at a textile factory that made Trump shirts report dangerous, abusive conditions — harsh even for Honduras.

Politico takes a look behind the vetting process that resulted in the selection of Tim Kaine for Hillary's veep.

Hillary and Kaine made their first appearance today. In the short video clip of their appearance, he doesn't seem boring at all. I kind of like him. But then I could care less about his (or Bernie Sanders') positions on trade or Wall Street -- I'm more concerned with how faith-oriented he is. I don't like religion in politics. Hopefully he'll keep his religious views to himself. With Hillary beaming throughout the appearance like she just won the lottery, I'm revising my opinion that she wasn't thrilled with this choice. Clearly, she is. I'm sure she knows what she's doing, so Clinton-Kaine it is -- I'm on board.[More...]

Ambassador Chris Stevens mother wrote the New York Times complaining about Trump and the Republicans' opportunistic exploitation of her son's death in Benghazi.

"As Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens's mother, I am writing to object to any mention of his name and death in Benghazi, Libya, by Donald Trump's campaign and the Republican Party.

...."I know for certain that Chris would not have wanted his name or memory used in that connection. I hope that there will be an immediate and permanent stop to this opportunistic and cynical use by the campaign.”

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    After listening to the Tim Kaine speech (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:41:00 PM EST
    at FIU today, it confirmed my previous reasoning why anyone Hillary picked would be fine with me. Today Hillary once again proved she is far smarter than me.

    Yep (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:57:48 PM EST
    She's got this.

    I was dreading Kaine as the pick, as many were, but then seeing how it is working out, I have to say I was not on the mark.  

    She knew better.  Good for her--and us.

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    In all of our speculation we did not (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:06:50 AM EST
    think to ask 'who brings out the best in Hillary?'  I think Kaine brings her a good way out of her natural shell of reserve - which is one of her negatives as a candidate. If her negatives get drawn down even a little, this thing is over.

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    Pretty amazing that almost 2 days after (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:00:19 PM EST
    the announcement, no takedown info has been blasted out. Quite refreshing.

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    he's horrible on economic issues (none / 0) (#73)
    by Dadler on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:07:27 PM EST
    no more takedown needed for me. dirt or no dirt in the personal closet, i never try to pretend i know whether these folks are nice, or that they'd be cool to have a beer with, that's all just personality politics, we don't know anything about them, except their political record. on financial matters, from my pov, he is a dime a dozen neo-liberal idiot. chamber of commerce pick. just more destruction of the working and (now mostly non-existent anyway) middle class. everything is for sale, people especially, since the great american status quo system paradigm values money over people 24/7/365.

    but it doesn't matter. i'll yet again, most likely, pinch my nose and vote for someone i don't think much of. but if california is polling as a route on election day, jill stein will get my vote.  

    peace.

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    rout not route n/t (none / 0) (#74)
    by Dadler on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:08:14 PM EST
    He has many good qualities. (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:53:25 PM EST
    Not perfect, natch.

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    As someone said (none / 0) (#101)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:01:42 PM EST
    the VP pick means nothing about the policies the President advocates.   As shown by history.

    But Kaine supports a raise in the minimum wage, and the College funding plan agreed to with Bernie, and he is fine on taxes.  

    It all depends on what issues one wants to emphasize.

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    Vast & Sensible economic reforms... (none / 0) (#150)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:19:12 AM EST
    ain't in the cards man...sh&t even under a President Sanders they were a longshot with a corrupt good for little congress...now forget about it.

    Get in on the rackets, pen a commercially popular masterpiece, or keep making due with less...that's all she wrote.

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    Bernie's economic plans (none / 0) (#153)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:26:34 AM EST
    Weren't sensible or realistic - woukd have had nothing to do with Congress.

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    I'd say they were vastly sensible (none / 0) (#155)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:33:52 AM EST
    but probably not realistic.

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    A question or two (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:03:39 PM EST
    ...for the Trumpites.  It's about a contradiction that they live with.

    Since the Trump slogan assumes that the US was once but is no longer "great" ("Make America Great Again!"), the obvious question is this: "Which country is currently the 'greatest,' so we know whom we should emulate?  When was the last time the US was 'great?'"

    Pretty simple (none / 0) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:12:57 PM EST
    "again"

    We are emulating our previous selves.

    I'd say we've been going down hill since
    '62.

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    1962 (5.00 / 4) (#105)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:19:44 PM EST
    Before I have a Dream speech;

    Before Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts;

    Before women entered the work force en masse;

    Before the Griswold case holding it was unconstitutional to outlaw contraception;

    Before Medicare;

    Before any respect was given to LBGT issues and people;

    Before the EPA was created;

    Got it.

    I have longed believe that people are Republicans for cultural reasons--not economic or foreign policy.

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    Before the fall of the Soviet Union (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:21:42 PM EST
    and while MAD ruled.

    That is some paradise.

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    Unlike ISIS (none / 0) (#166)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:10:28 AM EST
    the Soviet Union was contained with MAD and slowly rotted away until they collapsed during Reagan's tenure. As the Left had given communism a huge victory by surrendering South Vietnam and then opening the ME to the modern day radical islamists the victory over the Soviets was not complete and the new problems are being made worse by Obama and Hillary.

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    One thing you've in common w. Clinton, Jim (none / 0) (#170)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:27:55 AM EST
    You're both trying to put the blame on Russia.

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    Seriously (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:33:39 AM EST
    Have you read ANY reporting on this?

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    The American Cold War jihadists (none / 0) (#171)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:31:33 AM EST
    and their obedient enablers furnished the communists and the rest of the left-leaning world with a Huge and lasting propaganda victory by leaving a legacy of a hypermilitarized global bully willing to be as totalitarian and hypocritical as any dictorship in attempting to bend tiny barely-industrialized nations to it's will.

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    Of course if (none / 0) (#181)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 02:24:33 PM EST
    we had been pacifists the Soviets would have just went away.

    Sure......lol

    "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accept the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay-and claims a halo for his dishonesty." - Robert Heinlein


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    True Blue fascists are always (none / 0) (#185)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 03:28:23 PM EST
    suckers for a man in uniform, but there are many ways to make valuable contributions to a social group.

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    Robert Heinlein.. (none / 0) (#186)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 03:45:44 PM EST
    somebody needs to put some new records in that jukebox.

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    That assumes (none / 0) (#202)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 08:13:10 AM EST
    that the group is protected by the military and the pacifists can protest without fear.

    Kinda like Dallas.

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    I think he meant 1862 (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:07:19 AM EST
    Poor farm women were (none / 0) (#163)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:58:17 AM EST
    always "in the work force."

    They entered the "outside the home/farm" in mass during WWII.

    They returned to the home after WWII then re entered when the cost of housing/living dictated two salaries for a family. All the feminists blather had very little to do with it.

    In case you have missed my comments since 2003 my positions on Medicare is that we need Universal single payer.

    I have stated time and again my support for minority rights, including gay marriage, women's right to choose, LWOP, our screwed up drug laws..... these are all "social issues" which is why I call myself a Social Liberal. The EPA, which did good for awhile, has morphed into a bureaucracy determined to expand its power and destroy our energy industries.

    But, starting with Kennedy's failures, compounded by Johnson, Nixon and Carter...improved under Reagan and driven down again under Bush I, Clinton and Bush II and utterly destroyed by Obama...our foreign policy has sucked big time.

    So you don't "got it." What you have is a typical partisan Left Wing Democrats attitude that Obama and Hillary can do no wrong.

     

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    "Poor farm women"?? (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:04:15 AM EST
    Fu@king hell.  I love ya man.  You consistently make my day.

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    Jim needs a slot on the show (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:29:14 PM EST
    'Drunk History ' on Comedy Central. He is funnier than that.

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    LOL! "Poor farm women": (none / 0) (#188)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 03:58:21 PM EST
    Voting record in Senate (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Baal on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:13:29 PM EST
    The more I learn about Kaine the more I like him, especially his record in the Senate Over last three years. I knew little about him and spent many hours today delving deepe, since first reactions I read from my usual sources were underwhelming. There are many progressive concerns. There are at least a few where Kaine has been more aggressively out front than  than Sanders, which is something Sanders supporters sometimes miss (and also why they can't grasp why Hillary did so strongly among minorities and in dense urban cores).  I like his 100% rating from Planned Parenthood and NARAL. I am happy about who hates him.  I am very enthusiastic about this ticket. I am guessing maybe no the Will turn out to be  so boring a pick.

    Everything you said (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:16:44 PM EST
    Also he seems sort of a tricky target for the right wing attack machine.

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    I was thinking that too (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:03:43 AM EST
    He presents a very small target of opportunity for them.  Of course that won't stop them from just making sh** up.

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    Even smaller target (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 01:07:49 PM EST
    When you consider the response from Senator Flake on Kaine you get a good grasp on just how small the target might be.

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    The Putin-Trump ticket (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:15:11 AM EST
    Yes, it's a thing

    Fascinating. I'm beginning to think Trump's financial future really does depend on him running for president. It is the only thing that makes sense.  Potemkin Village indeed.

    Someone was asking the other day what makes us (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:42:21 AM EST
    see Trump as a fascist.

    To put this all into perspective, if Vladimir Putin were simply the CEO of a major American corporation and there was this much money flowing in Trump's direction, combined with this much solicitousness of Putin's policy agenda, it would set off alarm bells galore. That is not hyperbole or exaggeration. And yet Putin is not the CEO of an American corporation. He's the autocrat who rules a foreign state, with an increasingly hostile posture towards the United States and a substantial stockpile of nuclear weapons. The stakes involved in finding out 'what's going on' as Trump might put it are quite a bit higher.

    There is something between a non-trivial and a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence for a financial relationship between Trump and Putin or a non-tacit alliance between the two men. Even if you draw no adverse conclusions, Trump's financial empire is heavily leveraged and has a deep reliance on capital infusions from oligarchs and other sources of wealth aligned with Putin. That's simply not something that can be waved off or ignored.



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    Seeing Trump as (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 02:42:55 PM EST
    fascist is not just a political pejorative, for unlike Trump, most critics have an extensive vocabulary and could surely come up with a less-charged derogatory characterization.

      However, fascism is selected based on warning signs that start with the personality cult that he alone is the leader to fix problems, forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. A strong leader who uses but his own good brain as sole advisor--and maybe his "kids".  Law and Order, with conduct that urges torture in the conduct of foreign affairs and appears to prefer rules over laws for civil control.  

    Political violence for the proposed rejuvenation deemed necessary to make America great again, or white again, is not a vice, but seemingly a goal for autarky--military, economic and political. Protectionism, selected trade agreements and areas, and conditions for allies (Trump's conditions) as well as Trump's fearmongering, bigotry,and nativism, reflect the authoritarian tendencies of fascism.

     It is not unusual for a candidate selling his wares  to point out existing issues, but it is unusual to spur world chaos in the process.  Unusual but not unique.

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    It is so enetertining (none / 0) (#111)
    by Redbrow on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 03:49:23 AM EST
    Watching the regressive left go full tinfoil conspiracy theory!

    Fighting the imaginary "red menace" just like the old mccarthy era.

    Is "pinko" making a comeback too?

    Does this ne hysteria put an end to the "Trump is hitler" hysteria?

    You do realize the russians were hitlers biggest enemy, right?


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    You DO realize the Russian (none / 0) (#142)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 09:06:01 AM EST
    ... intelligence agencies were the ones who hacked the DNC servers,  right?

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    Much chatter this morning (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 09:58:19 AM EST
    About all the "trouble" the BernieBros will make next week.   I think the more trouble they make the more irrelevant they will be.  The more extreme they will appear and the more centrist the ticket will appear.    The more "trouble" the "left" makes the more difficult it s for the right to label Clinton/Kaine as dangerous lefties.

    Caught a bit of Sanders on MTP.  Going to be very interesting to see what he says tomorrow.  The MTP panel was thrilled with his dissing of Kaine.

    Yep, the primaries are over (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:19:22 AM EST
    Did they figure out the platform was not that much of a prize?  

    Trump only got a 2% convention bump. No decrease in support for Clinton. This leaves lots of moderate suburban voters of every race and heritage available for Clinton-Kaine to pick up.  Shoring up the far left,  when their goals cannot be realistically be met by the next resident and congress, is not worth losing the rest of these votes.

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    Another interesting bit (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:37:11 AM EST
    From the gab fests I had not really considered,  VPs and religion.

    There is probably no better person to take on Pence and his selfrighteous hateful version of Christianity than Kaine.   There will be no shutting down any segment of a debate by trotting out Jesus against a former Jesuit missionary.

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    is this an example (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by sallywally on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:31:55 PM EST
    of his support of the Dem ticket?

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    BernieBros (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Dadler on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:20:59 PM EST
    IMO, an astonishingly effective right wing troll job creation if ever there was one. Right up there with the birther issue. Better tho, because of the internecine nature of it. And the recently released hacked emails reveal a Dem party that is sleazy and rigged and has contempt for its own voters and donors. The BernieBros myth was right in their "ethical" wheelhouse to exploit. You know, along with the Jew thing if they needed to.

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    Wikileaks release (none / 0) (#37)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:23:50 AM EST
    Appear to be strategically timed....by someone

    http://tinyurl.com/z5zzvh8

    (CNN)Fueled by grievances over the party's treatment of Bernie Sanders and doubts over Hillary Clinton's progressive credentials, tens of thousands of protesters are poised to put a fragile post-primary detente to the test this week during the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.

    Unlike Cleveland, where scattershot demonstrations routinely dissolved among infighting and an overwhelming police presence, the protesters descending on the DNC have a more coherent slate of demands and, with a new Wikileaks release of documents that seems to show Democratic officials discussing ways to undermine Sanders' bid, freshly ignited anger at the party's handling of the nominating contest.



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    It is expected to continue all week (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:39:16 AM EST
    And the more it does the more suspect it will appear.   I actuall think they could be doing Hillary a big favor by making it look like she is the target of Putin.

    I'm wondering if and how and by who this might be addressed on the convention stage.  I can see it being Bill.

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    Surprising the Sanders' (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:04:30 PM EST
    campaign's unauthorized access and downloading of Clinton campaign data is not mentioned.

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    Bernie did say Kaine is "a hundred times (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:40:13 AM EST
    better than Trump"..

    That's a milder dissing than our gracious hostess has dished out.

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    That said (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:44:37 AM EST
    I don't think he has that much to says about what the Bros do.  Or do not do.  Even if he wanted to which he does not really seem to do.

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    Ouch!! (none / 0) (#113)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 06:04:12 AM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/hqdeta6

    It appears that some democratic primary voters feel the same as the Republican convention goers.

    No, The Bern has no control over his supporters.

    t a lively Sunday march in support of former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, chants of "lock her up," "Hillary for Prison" signs and t-shirts and calls for indictment were common among the most ardent supporters of Mr. Sanders, who arrived in Philadelphia to make their voices heard to the delegates attending the Democratic National Convention.


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    Just like yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:35:02 AM EST
    Expecting 30,000 - 50,000.

    They got about 1000.


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    When asked if he trusted Hillary (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:42:52 AM EST
    He said he did not trust Trump.

    Whatever.  I honestly think his relevancy has completely passed.  

    Donna Brazil was funny.  She clear wants DWSs job I think.

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    Hopefully not the part of the job (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:55:15 AM EST
    where she runs interference for payday lenders in Florida..

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    That was sort of a joke (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:59:12 AM EST
    But she did go after her pretty hard.  Not by name but it was clear.

    My personal opinion, you think DWSs is a corrupt hack party apparatchik,  just wait till you get a load of Donna.

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    Wasserman Schultz has resigned (none / 0) (#65)
    by caseyOR on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 03:04:24 PM EST
    As DNC chair, effective after the convention, according to WaPo.

    And you are so right about Donna Brazile, Howdy. Donna as head of DNC would be very bad news.

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    Per NY Times, Donna Brazile will be acting (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by caseyOR on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 03:37:58 PM EST
    DNC chair through the November election. That didn't take long.

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    That's rather presumptuous of the NYT, ... (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:19:53 PM EST
    ... since the new members of the DNC have yet to take office, and would have to ratify such a decision in any event. The executive committee may be in for a rude surprise, if they think they can continue to rule the party by diktat. (Thanks, Obama.) There may be a good argument to be made for continuity through the election, but I can't see Brazile staying on after November unless she somehow surprises us with fabulous and inclusive leadership. Otherwise, there's a changing of the guard acomin'.

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    That's probably just as well. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:11:35 PM EST
    Given the incoming new member of the Democratic National Committee, including four from here, who all take their seats upon the convention's adjournment, there's a decent possibility that she would have not had the majority of votes that would be necessary to continue.

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    Donna (none / 0) (#72)
    by athyrio on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:01:16 PM EST
    Have never particularly cared for Donna....will be interesting to see how she handles things


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    Brazile is brilliant and articulate (none / 0) (#194)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 05:12:29 PM EST
    I don't understand the hate.

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    2008. (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 07:50:23 AM EST
    Especially May 31, 2008, thanks to Prima Donna.

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    I'm sure the Clinton campaign will be (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:51:40 AM EST
    reading Sanders' speech for the convention and if it looks remotely like he is going negative on Hillary, he will not be speaking. He can speak up for party reforms if he wants - let him see how receptive the crowd is for that message.

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    After the Ted Wedding (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:54:29 AM EST
    They might secretly have him on a 7 second delay.   I would.

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    The Bernie or bust crowd (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jbindc on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:57:10 AM EST
    Will be too busy participating in their "fart-out" during Hillary's acceptance speech.  

    That's what happens when you let children vote.

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    Dear Gaaawwwwdddd .... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:07:59 AM EST
    I thought this was snark, but it turns out that's really their plan.  They all plan to let loose at the moment the nomination is announced.

    How do you even time something like that?

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    I'm thinkin (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:09:49 AM EST
    Burrito and beer parties.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#52)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:13:08 AM EST
    Franks and beans party?

    Gonna be mighty awkward with all the CNN/MSNBC/FOX reporters asking if they can strategically place their microphones ...

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    For the serious it's BYOF (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:10:54 AM EST
    Bring Your Own Fabreze

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    But the beans are being supplied (none / 0) (#53)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:20:40 AM EST
    Boxes of dry beans and heavy containers of canned beans already have arrived by mail, Honkala says, in all varieties: navy, pinto, lima and baked, with return addresses in Texas, Wisconsin and across the Rust Belt.

    "Those beans will probably quadruple" after Sanders' endorsement, Honkala says.




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    Also (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:24:58 AM EST
    If there is a god

    Some will be wet.

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    Gas masks (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:23:52 AM EST
    With Clinton/Kaine logos?

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    Oh please, jb (1.00 / 1) (#56)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:54:55 AM EST
    Who had the childish temper tantrum after '08 that lasted a good four years?

    Is a fart out, lame is it may be, any worse than carrying on a post-primary snit for no constructive reason other than to vent and unnecessarily antagonize others?


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    Well (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:59:09 AM EST
    You could probably answer that better since you have had daily snits since you started posting.

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    According to the NOOZE (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 11:00:36 AM EST
    They have bigger protests planned outside than anything that happened in Cleveland.

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    Ive been watching live TV coverage of ... (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:45:02 PM EST
    ... L.A.'s "Sand Fire," which has burned 50-60,000 acres since it first broke out on Friday. Local ABC affiliate KABC-TV has been providing spectacular shots from their position in the Santa Clarita Valley. The communities of Agua Dulce, Acton and Palmdale are directly threatened by the blaze.

    Good luck to everyone currently in harm's way. And if you're living in the area and the order comes to evacuate, please heed the firefighters' directives and don't second guess them.

    Aloha.

    Took my (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by CST on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:25:40 AM EST
    Muslim anchor-baby, 4-year old nephew to his first real movie to see the BFG.  He thought the movie was a bit long (it was), but was very impressed with Reeces pieces (they have chocolate! and peanut butter! and crunch!).

    Next week he goes to ISIS summer-camp so he can learn to hate his extended family.

    Meanwhile, many of his father's friends are currently seeking refugee status for being the wrong kind of Turk.

    That being said, the right wing does have a lot to fear from my muslim sister.  After all, she won't shut up about equal pay and parental leave.  Not even in her Mosque.

    A theory (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 12:11:27 PM EST
    Wikileaks is a front for Russian Intelligence

    And then again, wouldn't it be ironic if in all if this mess. Trump or his people end up being investigated by the FBI....

    "My faith is central (1.50 / 2) (#3)
    by Redbrow on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 09:59:07 PM EST
    to ecerything I do."

    Catholic and pro-life.

    There is nothing ambiguous about his "faith-orientation".

    He is a long time Washinton insider who married into a politcal elite family with the same ivy league harvard connections as the Clinton, Bush and Obama dynasties.

    Jealous? (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:05:05 PM EST
    Question (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:19:57 PM EST
    For you and fish and KeysDan

    I've been binging BLOODLINE.  

    does every cheap motel in south Florida have fish on the wallpaper?

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    No Howdy... (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:22:43 AM EST
    some motels down here in the keys have lobster wallpaper.

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    are (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:32:15 AM EST
    there any with square grouper?

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    why bloodline? (none / 0) (#16)
    by linea on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:32:33 AM EST
    it only has 3.5 stars. i'm watching Dead Like Me and that has 5 stars on amazon.

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    Can't really answer that (none / 0) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:46:30 AM EST
    Living here, I've never had the need to hole up in one of the rooms by the hour fleabags.

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    Captain, (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:47:06 AM EST
    Have not seen any wallpaper at all--except for that still hanging off the wall in bits. And, that is  the cheap hotels ($500/night).

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    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 09:07:00 AM EST
    They make it a very believable place.  You can smell the fish and the sweat.

    For fans, especially those of bad boy Danny, there is a great movie frm Australia (2010 about) called ANIMAL KINGDOM.

    Mendelssohn plays a very similar but even more evil character.  It has I believe been turned into an Amazon series.

    But it's very very good.  Every actor is amazing including the main teenaged boy who you will probably never have heard of.

    LINK

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    Me, a little (none / 0) (#12)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 11:30:49 PM EST
    But we each have been given something.....

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    Obama is a "dynasty?" (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:11:11 PM EST
    How so?  He's the first of his line as far as Harvard is concerned.  Same with Clinton.

    I think you meant the BUSH dynasty, which actually existed.  W's GRANDFATHER was a rich politician, but Bill's and Barack's were not.

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    Donald has (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:18:01 PM EST
    Duck Dynasty.  Does that count?

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    Neither W.J. Clinton nor H.R. Clinton (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:13:17 AM EST
    ever attended Harvard. Both were too smart to bother with Harvard Law. HRC did her undergrad at Wellesley, and Bill at Georgetown (with a masters from Oxford).

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    Obama dynasty? (5.00 / 13) (#7)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:12:50 PM EST
    That's pretty funny. Even "Clinton dynasty" is kind of a dumb notion. Two highly talented people, married to one another. Nothing intergenerational; nothing to suggest family connections have trumped talent or resulted in undue advantages or opportunities (like the Bushes).

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    Yes, Kaine is "pro-life" (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:17:50 AM EST
    in a very American Catholic way:  personally finds abortion immoral, but as a matter of public policy and constitutional law supports each woman's right to make her own choices. And opposes the death penalty, both personally and as a matter of policy.

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    immoral? (none / 0) (#17)
    by linea on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:38:31 AM EST
    not "it's against my religion for me to get an abortion" but rather it's immoral in a universal sense?

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    By all means (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:51:37 PM EST
    do some deeper research and/or engage in a probing conversation about this subject with Sen. Kaine, and then let us know what the nuances of his private thoughts are. Until then, what matters to me is whether he believes he should use his authority as a public official to impose his beliefs on others to control their own most intimate decisions. He says -- and his record shows -- that he doesn't. That fully satisfies me, and apparently it satisfies Planned Parenthood, too, since he has a 100% rating from them.

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    Morality and immorality are subjective. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:45:47 AM EST
    And per the late humanitarian Jane Addams, the essence of immorality is predicated upon our own tendency to make an exception of ourselves.

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    At least in the JFK sense of (none / 0) (#94)
    by christinep on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:44:38 PM EST
    separation of Church and State.  

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    "Nothing ambiguous" - heh (none / 0) (#26)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:18:24 AM EST
    You should read more than a single sentence.

    Tim Kaine on the issue of abortion.

    Not to mention the only "dynasty" you're citing is the Bushes.  But I understand why you'd try to conflate the Clintons and Obamas with them.

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    ... tool of the Pope.

    Please don't show up here armed only with AM squawk radio clichés.

    Next time, I'll be merciless.

    ;-D

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#187)
    by midcenturymod on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 03:55:51 PM EST
    He is a midwesterner from a non-political family.. His father-in-law was a VA governor before he and his wife met?-hardly a DC dynasty member. He went to Harvard Law and was a civil rights attorney in Richmond for many years before ever entering politics.

    Tim won a Richmond city council seat before later becoming Mayor, then VA Lt. Gov and Gov-none of which were in DC obviously.

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    Re 'leaks' (1.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Nemi on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 06:50:30 AM EST
    Site Violator JanaM! (3.00 / 2) (#198)
    by Nemi on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:47:36 PM EST
    Troll-rating perfectly fine comments for no good reason whatsoever! Repeatedly!

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    how Hillary wins (none / 0) (#15)
    by The Addams Family on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 12:21:36 AM EST
    Wikileaks, huh? (none / 0) (#18)
    by FreakyBeaky on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:22:37 AM EST
    Didn't see anything in there everyone doesn't already know.

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    Yeah, I'm sure Trump seeing Dems are onto him (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:10:41 AM EST
    will make him totally change his so-called strategy. Nice try, Putin.

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    How Hilllary (none / 0) (#29)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:39:55 AM EST
    ... ACTUALLY wins.  That was easy.

    Still bitter, huh?

    That's a shame.

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    Assumed your wikileaks link (none / 0) (#30)
    by Yman on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:45:18 AM EST
    ... was to their DNC emails.

    What is the significance of that tweet?  It seems like a basic strategy that would be obvious to most people.

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    Watching (none / 0) (#34)
    by ragebot on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:02:09 AM EST
    VICE show titled "who is anonymous".  Seems relevant given the recent leaks from the DNC.  One thing stood out was the claim that governments have infiltrated anonymous, and when asked which governments the answer was all of them.

    I know lots of the cool kids are saying Russia may be behind the leaks but in reality there may be no difference between Russia's hackers and those in anonymous.

    Unless you know what the term "zero days" means you really need to get up to speed on what is going on with cyber warfare.  

    110 co-opted Hidden Service Directories (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 01:44:38 PM EST
    were recently identified on TOR.  One quarter of those were exit nodes.

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    We may be swiftly approaching (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:19:04 AM EST
    a time when there will be no more secrets other than the one's people harbor in their hearts..

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    Debbie Wasserman Schultz (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 03:13:03 PM EST
    won't talk during the convention and is out after the lights go dark...and now we have.....

    From:MARSHALL@dnc.org To: MirandaL@dnc.org, PaustenbachM@dnc.org, DaceyA@dnc.org  Date: 2016-05-05 03:31 Subject: No shit

     It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.

    Wikileaks

    Seems kinda bigoted to me.

    DWS Resigning (none / 0) (#68)
    by Michael Masinter on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 03:48:13 PM EST
    And it's about time; I predicted she would be out by the convention months ago. Secretary Clinton won on her own merits, but DWS tainted the race and had to go.  If Tim Canova could beat her in the August 30 primary, he would do us all a favor.

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    Not Bigotry, Just Realism (none / 0) (#71)
    by RickyJim on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 04:59:38 PM EST
    This Gallup Poll shows 91% of the US adult population would vote for a qualified candidate who was a Jew, 58% for an atheist and 47% for a socialist.  Do you think the DNC shouldn't even consider such matters?

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    Since you ask (none / 0) (#75)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:08:49 PM EST
    Do you think the DNC shouldn't even consider such matters?

    Of course they should not.  They should only consider who is most qualified.

    You're thinking of Republicans.

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    But it was a high ranking Democrat who wrote it. (none / 0) (#86)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:15:44 PM EST
    It was A DNC staffer (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:58:19 AM EST
    ... who's talk was rejected,  as opposed to say ...

    ... your candidate.

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    He wrote what he wrote. (none / 0) (#182)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 02:32:21 PM EST
    Yep - he did (none / 0) (#183)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 02:38:26 PM EST
    ... and he was rejected and apologized,  as opposed to your party ...

    ... where he was nominated.

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    It is,bigoted, Jim., no question. (none / 0) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:29:36 PM EST
    Further, substitute "Muslim" for "Jew," and that's "kinda" how you sound to others here.

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    Your problem is that (none / 0) (#88)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:20:03 PM EST
    I use radical Muslim to differentiate.

    But nice try and reframing.

    And why is his comments being ignored?

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    Does it? (none / 0) (#118)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:54:47 AM EST
    Your "concern" about someone questioning whether a candidate is an atheist and bigotry against atheists generally is duly noted.

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    Even if the Russians are behind the leaks (none / 0) (#69)
    by pitachips on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 04:03:54 PM EST
    Were they behind the actual content of the emails? It's fascinating to watch the coordinated defense being played by the DNC and much of the establishment media.

    Unfortunately Hillary is going to get dinged for something that she probably had no hand in occurring. Looks like a bunch of DNC staffers eager to suck up to Hillary.

    this story is missing (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by mm on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:19:52 PM EST
    the smoking gun.  Where is it? Is it a crime for people to prefer HRC over Bernie and talk about it privately?  Most of which occurred at a point when it was clearly mathematically impossible for him to win, and when he was explicitly calling HRC and the Democratic Party corrupt?

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    Not sure (1.00 / 1) (#83)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:06:10 PM EST
    Are the Wikileaks crew saving the best for last?

    Regardless, unlike Reince Priebus, who managed as best he could to keep the Republican primary process neutral, and did not tilt the scales per the Establishment wishes, it appears that the DNC had their preferred candidate , and assisted her campaign. The scheduling of the debates , the days of the debates, and the amount of them, were obvious signs that the DNC had their preferred candidate , and would tilt the scales for her.
    The e mails just confirm what the followers of The Bern have been claiming , unfortunately rubbing salt in a  still open wound.

    The number of the planned demonstrations , and potential protesters seem quite large.

    These recent events might give Tulsi Gabbard some leverage in actually changing some of the Party rules, especially concerning superdelegates.

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    "It appears" - heh (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:05:29 AM EST
    Guaranteed that whatever follows that qualifier is going to be a fairy tale.

    But thanks for your very genuine your "concern".  Care to place a bet on the Assange silliness?  You guys are about 0 for 30 with Hillary so far,  and not for the reasons you claim.

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    I wouldn't bet against Assange. (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:16:41 AM EST
    But I would bet against the consequences he imagines.  The fix is in.

    Robert Reich.

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    It's amazing (none / 0) (#184)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 03:21:53 PM EST
    You folks are claiming it was the Russians who hacked the DNC's system.....but they didn't hack Hillary's???

    Okie Dokie.

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    Trevor (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:11:18 PM EST
    Like DRUDGE REPORT and GATEWAY PUNDIT I know you are very very VERY excited about all this but I'm really afraid, like the Marco thing,  your tiny heart is going to be broken.

    Again.  Poor thing.

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    Well (1.00 / 1) (#114)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 06:38:02 AM EST
    Maybe so,

    But Assange is promising to make things interesting.
    He tweeted this AM, per Morning Joe, that his next e mail release will ensure Hillary Clintons arrest.

    With Obama as President, there is no way his Justice Department will ever bring charges against Madame Sec, but whatever the hell Assange is holding, cannot be good. It will be interesting to see what Assange thinks is arrest material

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    Assange (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:15:48 AM EST
    Said that last month too.  Ok, sure, whatever.

    And please don't be so naive to think that the RNC was "neutral" in anyway - they just weren't hacked (hmmm....wonder why....?)  But I would bet every dollar I have there have been people working all weekend going through every email of every RNC employee and volunteer looking for stuff that could be damning if it got out.

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    But (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:22:33 AM EST
    He SO excited.  Seems almost cruel to shoot him down.  Allow him his pathetic scraps.  He has so little to get excited about these days.

    Plus it's always good to know what's happening over at GATEWAY PUNDIT.  AKA the stupidest man on the Internet.

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    They had opportunities (none / 0) (#189)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 04:07:35 PM EST
    To appease the Establishment, appease the Never Trumpers,
    But Priebus steered the RNC as best as he could. Maybe not perfectly, but they deinitely appear to have a more legitimate process than run by the DNC

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    Well (none / 0) (#89)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:22:36 PM EST
    At least the DNC is taking proper precautions, they may not want a wall across the Southern border, but they have put up a pretty impressive 4 mile 8 foot high fence around the convention center.
    Ah, the little Cuban fella, he would have been up 10 point in the polls if they nominated him, lol.
    The Democrats nominated the ONLY person Trump could possibly beat,
    And the Republicans nominated the ONLY person Clinton would be favored to beat.(Maybe Cruz as well)

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    Irrelevant (none / 0) (#87)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:16:53 PM EST
    Try to make it as big as you can....

    But few will be fooled or take the bait.

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    The Russians did it. (none / 0) (#90)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:25:49 PM EST
    Or Trump.

    Or Trump and the Russians.

    Or the Tea Party.

    Or Trump and the Russians and the Tea Party.

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    i don't think (1.00 / 2) (#102)
    by pitachips on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:06:51 PM EST
    Anyone is alleging anything criminal. But be honest it does not look good that high level DNC officials were willing to play to the anti-Semitic sentiments of voters in states that the Democratic nominee will probably not even win. The fact that it is was mathematically impossible for him to win actually makes it worse.

    I'm not so naive as to think that the party isn't going to have its preferred candidate based on its perception of who is the most electable candidate. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when you start justifying these dog whistle tactics (and if religion is fair game, why not race or gender?) you run the risk of alienating an important chunk of your party.  

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    What??? (5.00 / 3) (#125)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:10:02 AM EST
    1.  It wasn't DNC officialS (plural).  It was ONE DNC official who floated  a (bad) trial balloon that was shot down.

    2.  His comment wasn't anti-Semitic.   He was questioning whether BS was actually an atheist.


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    How exactly (4.50 / 2) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:36:02 PM EST
    It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.

    Is questioning if he is an atheist "playing to anti-Semitic  sentiments"

     

    Parent

    Capt (none / 0) (#109)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:58:33 PM EST
    People don't read. They assume they know.

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    It's a sh!tty email (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 09:09:50 PM EST
    As an atheist I don't find using that against him any better than using his religion against him.

    But let's at least get our sh!t straight.  Also IMO "playing to anti-Semitic sentiments" is being spread because it just sounds worse.  

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    But economic issues... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Dadler on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 04:59:36 PM EST
    ...and financial corruption, this terribly rigged game we are all forced to play, these are what keep poor people poor, increase the poverty roles, keep prisons stocked with inmates (many of them now beholden to private prisons, the ultimate evil in this nation right now) and overwhelmingly negatively affect minorities and women. I find it odd that, as you're a defense attorney who has had many poor and marginalized and screwed over clients, you are not more passionate about these issues. Especially on the federal level, where decisions can be made which impoverish huge swaths of people at the stroke of a pen.

    You can help solve this problem (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:11:46 PM EST
    By never again voting for a Republican, and supporting liberal Democrats.

    Ask yourself this: was there ever an issue in which conservatives were right and the hippies were wrong?

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    I have never voted for a Repub in my life (4.33 / 3) (#82)
    by Dadler on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 05:36:36 PM EST
    I come from a multiracial, blended to a phucking froth family, I have blood siblings who are black, a Jewish father (born and raised in lower east side tenement poverty during the Depression) who has lived in the deep south for three decades, and a mother I lived on welfare and food stamps with in the inner-city at the height of urban decay after my self-aborbed (at the time) old man took off. My POV is pretty, um, informed by everything that makes America great and maddening.

    That said, the Democratic Party is as far from hippies as you can get right now. On economic issues, there is simply nothing the party does that helps the poor to any genuinely progressive degree. They have bought into criminal neo-liberal economic voodoo, which is a death sentence for a gargantuan swath of the nation. That the Democratic Party has lost so many members of the working class is inexcusable. Both parties have played an almost equal role in eliminating jobs and turning, for example, the Rust Belt into WalMarts and meth labs. The Democratic Party, my party supposedly, can't even bring itself to speak the economic truth, it's too bush, always, selling their "lesser of two evils" meme. Endlessly.

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    Whom are you arguing with? (5.00 / 3) (#144)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 09:34:03 AM EST
    the Democratic Party is as far from hippies as you can get right now.

    I never said that the Democratic Party was influenced by the hippies, just that the hippies are right more often than any other class of opinion-makers.  Who was right about Vietnam first?  The hippies.  Who said the invasion of Iraq over "WMD" was a lie?  The hippies, who were old enough to remember Vietnam.

    The typical pattern is that the hippie views are derided until they become mainstream. Now the world agrees with the hippies that there were no WMD in Iraq, 100,000 dead and $2T later.  We need to speed up the process of accepting hippie views BEFORE the disaster they predict.

    My hippie credentials are impeccable, I have smoked a joint with Jerry Garcia, and when I met Janis Joplin, she was wearing red panties and red shoes and a smile.  I have never had to re-adjust a political position, because I AM a hippie.

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    Then voting for Hillary (none / 0) (#91)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:29:57 PM EST
    is just doing the same thing over again while expecting a different outcome.

    That is a definition of insanity.

    Try voting for Trump. At least he promises to make some changes.

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    There you go dad (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:38:36 PM EST
    What you got there is your logical extension.

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    Always the sales pitch (none / 0) (#92)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 06:36:59 PM EST
    of fascist, would-be strong man dictators.

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    When you can't refute the point (none / 0) (#119)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:56:15 AM EST
    just make wild claims.

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    The point was a wild claim (none / 0) (#122)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:01:55 AM EST
    coming from someone who accused Obama of not loving America enough Now when he said he wanted to change things.

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    Uh, Obama has apologized (2.00 / 1) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:10:44 AM EST
    all over the world for America.

    He didn't do that because he thought it was right.

    But the point here is that Hillary will just bring you more of the same.


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    He was apologizing (5.00 / 3) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:27:32 AM EST
    To the world for people like you.   A dirty job that needed to be done.

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    Define "apologized" (none / 0) (#137)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:29:22 AM EST
    you mean engaged in measured diplomacy?

    "He didn't do that because he thought it was right"

    Someone translate that for me, because I can't begin to fathom what that even means.  

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    Measured what???? (1.33 / 3) (#146)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:12:14 AM EST
    Let me see...

    Created ISIS.

    Destroyed a stable government who had no weapons, was no threat but is now both...Libya

    Turned Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Insulted our lone ally, Israel, in the ME.

    "Reset" our relations with Russia.

    Emboldened the Syrian rebels.

    Gave Iran the green light to go nukes.

    Swapped 5 terrorists for a US traitor.

    Imported thousands of "refugees" that will birth some radicals, killing Americans.

    Didn't even try to rescue 4 Americans who were under attack.

    Gotta admit it.

    He and Hillary have been busy!

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    A series of false one liners (5.00 / 2) (#159)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:47:47 AM EST
    This is typical nonsense from conservatives who do not like to reason or discuss.

    You live in your own reality....

    Just one fact for you:  By downing NATO, Trump has given the green light to Putin in Eastern Europe.  Even Republicans agree his comments about NATO are dangerous.

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    IMO (5.00 / 2) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:52:29 AM EST
    More than anything else this will be the reason many republicans quietly vote for Hillary.

    I really do.  This is serious scary sh!t.  Republicans don't really want to even talk about it because it has the potential of literally destroying the party.  Like permanently.  I think they will just quietly make sure he is defeated.  In a rout.

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    Trump genuinely likes Putin (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:56:19 AM EST
    and thinks he is a strong leader.  Trump's admiration for Putin tells all.

    Trump likes Putin more than our NATO allies, that much is clear.

    Not only scary, but demented.  

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    NATO has been a walking corpse for years (none / 0) (#169)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:20:12 AM EST
    put there by Hillary's "reset" and Obama's removing the missile defense system from Poland. Said defense would have blocked ICBM's from Iran as well as some Russian locations.

    Trump has pointed that out, pledged to rebuild our military and told the countries that called themselves allies that they would have to do their fair share.

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    Unreal (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:29:03 PM EST
    You do understand when The Donald does his brash trashtalking with NATO countries to force to them to pay more, he is talking to more than just them?  You know that, right?

    Trump is telling Putin that the U.S. would not stand by the Eastern European countries.   But why bother about the love between bros Trump and Putin?

    If you were ever serious about national security issues, you would recognize the folly of Trump's approach.  Those GOPers who are, do.

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    Do you think that our enemies are (none / 0) (#201)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 08:07:10 AM EST
    so stupid that they won't know our weaknesses?

    Really?

    Putin is on the march because of what Obama has done.

    Trump wasn't in the mix when Obama drew his infamous red line.

    Trump wasn't in the mix when Obama cut and ran from Iraq and birthed ISIS.

    If you had listened to Trump instead of the media attacking him you would know he is pushing strengthening our military and pushing our allies to do more to protect themselves and by doing so, protecting the group.

    As for the GOP, win or lose it is not the GOP of the elites any longer.

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    This apologized theme (none / 0) (#160)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:50:28 AM EST
    is in fact not true.

    The only true apology for U.S. actions overseas that I can recall is when Bill Clinton apologized to the people of Guatemala for what the U.S. did to that country.  The apology was appropriate and long overdue.   You disagree?

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    Hitler promised "change", too (none / 0) (#127)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:11:39 AM EST
    That's some interesting logic you're using.

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    And so did Obama (none / 0) (#147)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:13:02 AM EST
    Yep (4.50 / 2) (#154)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:29:35 AM EST
    And there's been some very good changes under Obama.  Hitler, not so much.

    Your premise - that people should "try" voting for Trump because he's promising change - is laughable.

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    a lot of it is personality (1.00 / 1) (#103)
    by pitachips on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:13:12 PM EST
    If you dislike the messenger you're not going to think much of the message either. If Hillary was beating the drum on financial corruption, it would probably be a bigger deal here at TL. But because any discussion of Hillary and the financial industry etc inevitably brings up some uncomfortable questions/issues...you get the idea.

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    What is almost comical (none / 0) (#96)
    by christinep on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:00:02 PM EST
    in this thread is the transparent, failing effort by those who seem to be Repubs in real life (or leaning that way) to throw, sling whatever they can the progressive nomination process of Clinton/Kaine.

     Given the frightening fiasco of that yelling lynch mob called a convention that Repubs held last week, I do understand why the last ditch efforts to push wedge & division memes are so prominent today ... btw, all the look-look-look represents nothing more than a typical primary process Dems & Repubs normally experience.  Trash-talking the opponent in the decisive stages of a political contest is the norm ... we all know that. So, it is funny (tho not unexpected) to see the claims of "unfair" at this stage.  So what?  Put your big boy & girl pants on, Repubs.  That's life ... HRC is about to be the nominee.  Get used to it ... and figure out how you are going to say something good about your guy, Trump.  Now, that takes invention.

    Ivanka Trump did a marvelous job ... (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:23:54 PM EST
    ... selling her father's candidacy, and I was half-expecting a kinder, gentler Trump to graciously accept the GOP nomination. Instead, this angry old man came storming out on stage, and for over an hour yelled at the neighborhhood kids to get off his front lawn, while telling his own to shut up and do what he says.

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    Donald, you may consider (none / 0) (#121)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 07:59:26 AM EST
    American citizens to be kids, but they aren't.

    They are real grown up adults who can accept the truth and work to fix problems.

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    ... you wouldn't recognize the truth if the Good Lord Himself came down from Heaven to post it in 5-ft. high neon-lit letters that face the living room windows from your front yards.

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    I don't write these articles (1.00 / 1) (#97)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 07:23:35 PM EST
    The Sanders march proceeded down Broad Street four miles to a park facing the arena where delegates will meet Monday through Thursday. Speakers were scheduled into the evening. The City of Philadelphia expects 35,000 to 50,000 protesters a day, with marches and rallies in support of Mr. Sanders each day, as well as a bit of street theater, a "Mock Trial of Hillary Clinton," and a march to end homelessness.

    http://tinyurl.com/zr44mfp

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    Of course you didn't (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:22:01 AM EST
    You're just using them to push your narrative and feigning concern.

    Do you really think everyone doesn't see that?

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    This is getting old (none / 0) (#104)
    by ragebot on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:16:04 PM EST
    real fast.  Another attack in Germany, the forth in a week.  No ID of the bomber yet, but seems to fit the profile of a suicide bomber and the implications that go along with that.  Bonus question who can name the other two attacks, not this one or the Munich shooter, in Germany by self identified Muslims that killed women and injured children?  And why did they get so little news coverage?  As the French seem to be saying, is this the new normal; Muslims randomly killing Europeans?

    This is getting old? (none / 0) (#112)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 05:21:48 AM EST
    No, you were correct later in your post,

    As the French seem to be saying, is this the new normal; Muslims randomly killing Europeans?

    Just look at the sheer numbers , the demographics in Europe. Look at the recent arrivals, among them are returnees from the battlefield, inserted by ISIS. It will be easy for those radical  ideologues, returning from the battlefield, to convert and install jihad among the masses of young unemployed Muslims all across Europe.

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    Jeralyn, Site Violator chanyuan (none / 0) (#108)
    by caseyOR on Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 08:46:59 PM EST
    Has hit several posts.

    There are 17 dead at a (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:05:12 AM EST
    Florida teen nightclub. Two shooters escaped.


    Not 17 dead.. (none / 0) (#129)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:16:13 AM EST
    Though not for lack of trying on the part of the 2nd Amendment crowd.

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    All we needed was a law against (1.00 / 1) (#134)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:23:48 AM EST
    shooting people...

    Oh, wait...

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    But if anyone wants to shoot anyone (none / 0) (#139)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:33:41 AM EST
    you'll be more than happy to supply 'em.

    The same way any self-respecting cracked dealer would.

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    So people who follow the law (none / 0) (#140)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:39:11 AM EST
    selling legal products in a legal manner are the same as crack dealers.

    lol

    You're straining, Jondee.

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    Morally and from a civic duty stand point (none / 0) (#141)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:53:44 AM EST
    a lot of them are worse than crack dealers.

    But, I'm glad you can have yourself a little chuckle so soon after another bunch of young people were just gunned down.

    Keepin' it classy, as always.

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    Laughing at you is a civic duty.. (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:03:20 AM EST
    As close you get to fulfilling one (none / 0) (#148)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:16:13 AM EST
    LEOs (none / 0) (#138)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:32:05 AM EST
    are saying investigation includes how semi-automatic weapons can be/are modified into fully automatic weapons.  Seems like the shooters illegally modified the weapon(s) making them fully automatic.  While it is possible to get a class III tax stamp for fully automatic weapon to my knowledge no legal fully automatic weapon has been used in a crime since the passage of federal laws related crime sprees using Tommy guns.

    Bottom line is if someone is willing to break the law to modify a weapon making it fully automatic it is not likely they would be deterred by other weapon related laws.

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    Law and Order (none / 0) (#178)
    by RCBadger on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 12:39:44 PM EST
    There was a "Law, b and Order" episode about something very similar some years back.  The storyline involved a shooting on a college campus which killed a great number of people, although I don't recall how many.  The perp got a slap on the wrist sentence which caused outrage.

    Anyway, it turned that while the weapon the gunman used was pretty much your garden variety pistol, because of something in the design, he was able to modify it to turn it into an assault weapon.  So they sued the gun manufacture.  The judge in the case told them that unless they could prove that the manufacturers knew about the flaw in the design and how it could be used, he would set aside any guilty verdict.  Which is what ended up happening.

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    That's the exact episode (none / 0) (#179)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 12:55:10 PM EST
    That makes me want to scream when the prosecution is arguing to admit emails that show the "smoking gun" discussing this business strategy (if you'll pardon the pun) and the gun manufacturer's lawyer gets a smirk on his face and argues that they can't POSSIBLY be admitted because the lawyer is cc'd on every one, ergo they are protected by attorney-client privilege and the judge agrees!  But that's wrong! (Or not necessarily right).

    They only are privileged if they are seeking or discussing the lawyer's advice,  or being prepared in anticipation of litigation!  Just because a lawyer's name is on a document doesn't make it privileged!

    (Ok, rant over.  They usually do a pretty good job for a 42 minute show, but that episode always makes me want to throw something at the TV).

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    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#191)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 05:02:32 PM EST
    frequently warns about giving legal advice on her blog; even if the legal advice is from a fictional story on a TV show.

    With getting too deep in nerd land I have to point out that modifying semi automatic weapons to make them fully automatic is frowned upon by gunsmiths because it makes them unreliable.  In fact some fully automatic weapons like the MAC 10 (and its knockoffs) are often unreliable after very little use.  In the most simple terms every time a round is fired heat is generated and even after a few rounds the heat builds up causing the metal in the weapon to expand and distort.

    Even first rate weapons designed from the ground up as fully automatic have problems.  Weapons like the Browning HMG was water cooled using a tube filled with water around the barrel.  Other machine guns were issued with multiple barrels and it was required to unscrew one barrel and screw on a new one after a certain number of rounds were fired.

    Bottom line is not only is it illegal to own a fully automatic weapon with a Class III tax stamp, it is a silly idea to modify a semi automatic weapon into a fully automatic weapon.  Almost as silly as thinking getting legal advice from a TV show is a good idea.

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    Uodate...2 dead and 16 injured (none / 0) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:21:29 AM EST
    That's not an update jim (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:18:38 AM EST
    That's correcting your false information.

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    He used the word uodate.. (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:26:21 AM EST
    which roughly translated from wingnut-ese means I made a mistake because I was in too much of a hurry to gleefully report another terrorist attack.

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    Looks like (none / 0) (#133)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:23:41 AM EST
    Where did they think they where? Chicago? (1.00 / 3) (#135)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 08:25:13 AM EST
    Yes, Lucifer and Saul Alinsky's influence (none / 0) (#143)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 09:24:05 AM EST
    has spread far and wide.

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    The unsurprising email (none / 0) (#156)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:34:21 AM EST
    revealing that a staff member tilted toward the Clinton candidacy may have been the straw that resulted in the departure of Debbie Wasserman Schultz.  However, her leaving was pretty much a given, and probably a part of the earlier discussions between the Sanders and Clinton campaigns--the timing perhaps crafted to balance concerns.  

    Chairman Wasserman Schultz did have the ability to unite Clinton and Sanders supporters---in the assessment that it was time for her to take a bow and move on to spend more time with her family and constituents in the 23rd District of Florida.

    The story, from Russia with love, makes for a good one, especially on the slow Monday morning before the meat of the Convention.  And, it gives the media, aided and abetted by Trump tweets, something they are good at: false equivalency.  The dumpster fire of the Republican Convention and meme, Dems in disarray!

    I always wonder why such "scandals" are not dealt with by taking a cue from the Catholic Church, which has mastered a 2000 year survival with a special tactic.  Essentially, replace the targeted individual (kicking up rather than down stairs) and immediately name a successor of interest to all.

     The focus, thereafter, is on the new, not the old.  This seems to be a situation ripe for this two-millennial treatment.  The vice chair, Donna Brazile, is OK for the details, but a Democratic star should be honorary and the face--such as Howard Dean, Elijah Cummings, or...even.  Bernie. A new Democrat for a new Democratic party.

    Yep (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:38:37 AM EST
    DWS IMO should not speak.  Let her do a press conference.

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    Or let her speak now (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 10:42:51 AM EST
    Like RIGHT now

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    Maybe the Clinton (none / 0) (#174)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 12:12:15 PM EST
    campaign is taking a cue from that old Catholic Church tactic.  Looks like Ms. Wasserman Schultz is being quickly relieved of duties, and being kicked upstairs as honorary campaign chair.  I would have made her vice president in charge of getting the Wakiki Beach-inhabited millennials out to vote. A nice and long business trip with a return swing through Anchorage.

    Now, the second part.  A new DNC Chair with sizzle.

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    Did you see (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:03:01 AM EST
    the DWS presser with the FL delegation.  She was roundly booed.  Not sure what will happen when/if she is allowed to speak later on or gavel the convention open.

    Can anyone with pull with the Democrats explain why DWS is being allowed out in public with out adult supervision.  The moving pictures with sound of her on TV are embarrassing.

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    Great question (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 11:15:42 AM EST
    Hopefully this will be contained

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    you mean they haven't lynched her yet? (none / 0) (#176)
    by mm on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 12:21:31 PM EST
    What kind of two bit mob is this?

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    Inside the story (none / 0) (#175)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 12:16:28 PM EST
    Bernie speaking now (none / 0) (#177)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 12:32:42 PM EST
    And being booed by his delegates.

    He's lost control (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 01:36:28 PM EST
    They're booing him, Pelosi -pretty much everyone.   Good luck with that,  Bernie.  You built that monster - now you have to try to tame it.

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    Have to disagree with (5.00 / 2) (#192)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 05:06:30 PM EST
    Yman.  Neither Bernie or Trump built their supporters; they simply recognized a lot of folks were very unhappy.  If it was not Bernie or Trump it would be some other pol who realized how much discontent there was nationwide.

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    He did not build or create them (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 05:10:23 PM EST
    But at every step he has encourage their hostility to a party he was never a member of.

    Maybe the same with Trump.  But who gives a sh!t.  That's their problem.

    THIS is ours.  I'm really starting to look forward to what Bernie has to has.  Whatever else he does not seem to suffer fools gladly .

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    He's not their father (none / 0) (#195)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 25, 2016 at 06:43:41 PM EST
    He didn't literally "create" them like Dr. Frankenstein.  What he did was feed their discontent for months and now he's trying to bring them under control - the same problem the hate radio/establishment Repubs had with Trump.  The establishment is evil, corrupt!  She's for the oligarchy!

    Now dial it down and go vote for her.

    Oy.

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    Yep. He's their follower (none / 0) (#200)
    by Towanda on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 08:05:51 AM EST
    and not their leader, as finally may become clear to the media, owing to the behavior of Bernie-or-Bust groups.  Now, if inadvertently, even Jane Sanders says so.

    Foolish old man (and wife).

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