Saturday Night Open Thread

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Posted on Sat Sep 24, 2016 at 05:54:49 PM EST
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Charlotte police have released the dash cam video of the shooting of Keith Scott. (No link due to auto-play video -- I can't even find an article without one to know what's in the video, so if you are following the story, use google.)

If there's one thing I won't be buying, it's the new Spectacle sunglasses by Snapchat. I wouldn't be surprised to learn Homeland Security has invested in the product. What a privacy invasion. Beware of people wearing the brightly colored sunglasses around you.

They're connected sunglasses that record video snippets that get saved to your Snapchat Memories....Tap the button on the top left-hand corner of the sunglasses to begin recording a snap. It will automatically stop recording after 10 seconds — but if you want additional recording time, you can tap again to add another 10-second increment.

I think this has the potential to cause violent reactions from anyone who realizes they are being recorded by a stranger.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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Is "open carry" (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by Repack Rider on Sat Sep 24, 2016 at 07:39:46 PM EST

...in Open Carry states a privilege extended only to white people? We have seen Black men shot "because they were armed," even though state law permits them to be.

Discuss.

Also, why do white people who shoot at police get arrested instead of shot?

I don't have much to say since the Ferguson (none / 0) (#8)
by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 25, 2016 at 01:13:36 PM EST

Protests, where a bunch of not law enforcement white guys showed up open carrying assault weapons and LEOs just shrugged while looking to rough up and arrest anyone black similarly attired.


Well, here's a white guy who got shot by the (none / 0) (#13)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 01:05:29 PM EST

police and he didn't even shoot at the police.

Heck, he didn't even have a gun...


Yes, this depressed kid was executed (none / 0) (#14)
by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 01:21:36 PM EST

If you are willing to allow any ethnicity or social group to be terrorized by the state, the state eventually will come for you too and seem to have been granted that authority....by you. Nazi Germany evidenced that.


By "you" you mean a general sort of you, (none / 0) (#15)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 01:28:46 PM EST

right?

You're not saying "you" as in specifically, me, right?


Any of us who don't identify (none / 0) (#16)
by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 01:35:32 PM EST

As part of the terrorized group, if we allow it the state to terrorize them eventually the state includes us, whether we like it or not.


Cool. (none / 0) (#17)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 01:41:36 PM EST

: It is a foundational reason (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 01:59:19 PM EST

To champion equality, that's for sure.

That was sad. (none / 0) (#19)
by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 03:47:52 PM EST

The shooting of Dylan Noble by Fresno police received a lot of coverage in California initially this past summer, but hardly anywhere else because it was overshadowed by the shootings of Philando Castile in suburban St. Paul and Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge. On video, it almost looks to have been suicide by police shooting. Still, the officers needn't have obliged Dylan, and there was certainly no reason for them to have shot him twice again while he was laying on the ground.


: Agree (none / 0) (#28)
by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 08:50:49 PM EST

There was no reason for the last 3 shots either. It looked like an execution to me

open carry or not (none / 0) (#20)
by thomas rogan on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 03:57:57 PM EST

Anyone of any race would be wise to put down the gun when told to by uniformed police, open carry or no. Just saying.


Wise, in your opinion? (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by Peter G on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 04:28:27 PM EST

Or obligated, on pain of summary execution?


: You are playing (none / 0) (#27)
by TrevorBolder on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 06:38:38 PM EST

Russian roulette if you are carrying a visible weapon (licensed or not) and refuse to obey a LEO's commands.
That is a sign that you are uncooperative, and carrying a lethal weapon, you will set any LEO on edge, and consider they will consider you a threat to their safety

The (none / 0) (#22)
by FlJoe on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 04:35:06 PM EST

problem being that people very often act in an unwise manner, often for non-malevolent reasons.

The burden of wisdom should be on the police.


Where have you been? (none / 0) (#23)
by Repack Rider on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 04:39:01 PM EST

John Crawford and Tamir Ride were all shot dead by police BEFORE any warnings were issued, IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE (Ohio).

They were "armed" with toy guns. Philandro Castile had a license for his CCW, and was shot while trying to show it to the officer.

None was "brandishing" or threatening. But they were Black, and if you don't think that was why they died, what color is the sky on your planet?


: Just so there is no confusion, (none / 0) (#25)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 05:15:18 PM EST

Castile was not reaching for his CCW license.
His CCW license was at home somewhere, his family presented it to the press after they found it a week after he was killed.

: and, fwiw, (none / 0) (#26)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 05:22:36 PM EST

here's another unarmed white guy getting shot to death by police.

We would also be wise ... (none / 0) (#24)
by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 04:49:13 PM EST

... to reform the manner by which our law enforcement agencies and police departments train personnel to react in such matters. The burden is upon them as professionals to diffuse a potentially volatile situation, not escalate it.


"THE DAY BRANGELINA DIED" (5.00 / 3) (#7)
by Dadler on Sun Sep 25, 2016 at 09:07:45 AM EST

(w/a nod to Frank O'Hara)

Oh no! Brad and Angelina are getting divorced!
Break out all the tissues you can soak.
Put on your black clothes and mourn.
And call the mortuary for a quote.
Oh no! Brad and Angelina are getting divorced!
Put a memorial armband on your Beagle.
Legband, whatever.
Make a shrine to the gods of marriage.
Light a candle that smells like regret and lilac meadows.
And leave cookies for Santa by the marriage god shrine just in case they put him on this kind of nuptial shit in the off-season.
Oh no! Brad and Angelina are getting divorced!
Please tell me it's all a dream.
Please tell me I'll wake up.
And please tell me those aren't cheap-ass Animal Crackers you left for Santa. Get out the mixer. We're baking.
Oh no! Brad and Angelina are getting divorced!
Someone pass me the bottle.
And the genie inside.
Oh no!

PFK, vol. 9/20/16

They caught the Cascade Mall shooter (none / 0) (#2)
by Redbrow on Sat Sep 24, 2016 at 10:42:11 PM EST

It turn out he was not hispanic after al.

He is a Turkish immigrant named Arcan Cetin who worked at the Navy base.

Will Hillary disavow? (1.00 / 1) (#3)
by Redbrow on Sat Sep 24, 2016 at 11:16:18 PM EST

From his twitter account he is a big fan of Hillary.

He voted for her in the primary and celebrated her victory.


Why? (5.00 / 2) (#10)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 25, 2016 at 05:21:34 PM EST

Does she know him personally? Is he someone with a significant or not insignificant following?

And as long as you're trolling -- with particular emphasis on the word "trolling" -- for Democratic political disavowals, Donald Trump, Jr. traffics in neo-Nazism and re-tweets neo-Nazi websites. Have you asked whether Trump will disavow his own son?

Of course you haven't, because you don't see anything wrong with that stuff, do you?


Why hasn't tRump disavowed (5.00 / 4) (#11)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 08:04:20 AM EST

the gutless thug who assaulted the elderly lady with an oxygen tank at his own rally?


Pssssttt ... one other thing (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by Yman on Tue Sep 27, 2016 at 07:48:28 AM EST

He's not a citizen. He can't vote for anyone.

Oops.


Actually (none / 0) (#30)
by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 05:07:53 PM EST

He has voted, and he is not a citizen!!

OMG!! But that can't happen.

It happens ALL THE TIME.

Voter ID is needed, and wanted by the vast majority of the country.

The Cascade Mall shooting suspect, Arcan Cetin, may face an additional investigation related to his voting record and citizenship status.
Federal sources confirm to KING 5 that Cetin was not a U.S. citizen, meaning legally he cannot vote. However, state records show Cetin registered to vote in 2014 and participated in three election cycles, including the May presidential primary.
Cetin, who immigrated to the United States from Turkey as a child, is considered a permanent resident or green card holder. While a permanent resident can apply for U.S. citizenship after a certain period of time, sources tell KING his status had not changed from green card holder to U.S. citizen.

And...

DENVER (CBS4) - A CBS4 investigation has found multiple cases of dead men and women voting in Colorado months and in some cases years after their deaths, a revelation that calls into question safeguards designed to prevent such occurrences.
"We do believe there were several instances of potential vote fraud that occurred," said Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams after reviewing the CBS4 findings. "It shows there is the potential for fraud."
Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams (credit: CBS)
Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams (credit: CBS)
The cases of dead men and women casting ballots ranged from El Paso County in southern Colorado to Denver and Jefferson County. CBS4 discovered the fraudulent voting by comparing databases of voting histories in Colorado against a federal death database.

"AlLL THE TIME" - Heh, heh, heh (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by Yman on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 07:35:49 PM EST

He has voted, and he is not a citizen!!
OMG!! But that can't happen.
It happens ALL THE TIME.

Bull$hit.

You rally should try to keep up. Turns out that Cetin is, in fact, a US citizen. So your cries of voter fraud are - as with most wingers - completely false.
An allegation of a few instances of voter fraud is the best you can do to back up your silly claim that "IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!". BTW - Love the fact that for one of (only) three specific instances cited in the article, they point out that they think it was an error by an election judge, as opposed to what they're claiming - election fraud.

Funny stuff.

No. Voter ID is an attempt by the wingnuts to disenfranchise many poor and elderly voters in the name of their red herring - "voter fraud!" that, in fact, does NOT happen "all the time".

Next.


It is very (none / 0) (#32)
by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:22:45 PM EST

Difficult to prove, and there are no resources actually checking.
It took a investigation by newspapers to disclose these.
And they are happening in every state.
RICHMOND, Va. -- The FBI and local police are investigating how at least 19 dead Virginians were recently re-registered to vote in this critical swing state.

By Laura Vozzella/Washington Post
RICHMOND, Va. -- The FBI and local police are investigating how at least 19 dead Virginians were recently re-registered to vote in this critical swing state.
One case came to light after relatives of a deceased man received a note congratulating him for registering, Rockingham County Commonwealth's Attorney Marsha Garst said Thursday.
"His family members were very distraught," said Garst, who confirmed the existence of the FBI and police investigation but said she could provide few details because the case is ongoing.

The majority of the people in the country want voter ID.


"'Difficult to prove" = red herring (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by Yman on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:34:21 PM EST

But I love the fact that you claim there are "no resources actually checking" followed by an article citing an FBI and police investigation.

That's seriously funny.

Study Finds No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud

There are lots of studies reaching the same conclusions.

The majority of the people in the country want voter ID.

So what? Unless you're suggesting that means we should do it.


Yes (none / 0) (#35)
by TrevorBolder on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 05:40:19 AM EST

Which is why newspapers are uncovering this instead of law enforcement


: They're "uncovering" nothing (none / 0) (#36)
by Yman on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 08:06:00 AM EST

The newspaper is only involved because the family contacted them with their suspicions. They have no idea what's happened here, just as with the the instances cited in Arizona, where the state has already indicated a probable error by an election judge in one of the three cases ... and that's before an investigation!
Too funny

The majority of the people in the country (none / 0) (#34)
by jondee on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 09:27:39 PM EST

are opposed to ex-felon disenfranchisement, but somehow the good folks on the Right never seem to get around to addressing that subject..

They're just too busy hunting down the imagined hoards skulking in the shadows just waiting to commit voter fraud.


link? (none / 0) (#4)
by leap on Sat Sep 24, 2016 at 11:26:36 PM EST

or are you "improvising"?


You want that on a silver platter? (none / 0) (#5)
by Redbrow on Sat Sep 24, 2016 at 11:57:20 PM EST

We win I vote for Hillary


Based on a tweet with no context?!? (5.00 / 2) (#9)
by Yman on Sun Sep 25, 2016 at 05:16:10 PM EST

Hahahahahaha ....

Anyone can set up a twitter account.
There's no context for that very short tweet, but was not about the primary and it had NOTHING to do with your specious claim that he voted for Hillary. Look at the date - According to a someone else, that tweet was in response to the Seahawks beating Packers on Jan 18 2015. Hence the actual date.

Forget about a "silver platter". If you're reduced to citing The Conservative Treehouse, you're reduced to a broken platter.


I'm sure it's important (none / 0) (#6)
by Repack Rider on Sun Sep 25, 2016 at 01:42:25 AM EST

He voted for her in the primary and celebrated her victory.

And which of her policies would you suggest his actions derived from?


: ..that's easy. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by jondee on Mon Sep 26, 2016 at 10:36:30 AM EST

it'd be the policy which insures that homicidal lunatics can obtain guns and ammo as easily as the rest of us pick up a carton of half and half on the way home.
Oh wait, that's Redbrow's heroes policy.