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Happy Birthday and Open Thread

It's never my birthday until I see a chocolate cupcake with icing and a cherry on top!

I'm grateful to be younger than the candidates running for President.

Birthday wishes (and donations for a birthday drink, paypal here) are welcome.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Happy Birthday Jeralyn!!! (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 28, 2016 at 03:35:03 PM EST
    Hope you enjoy your cupcake and do a little bit of partying! Sometimes just being younger than someone else is good enough.

    Thanks as always for all you do for us, providing a space to learn, converse, and vent. Much appreciated!

    FBI Director Comey, (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 28, 2016 at 05:39:19 PM EST
    in testimony before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security, went further than in the past in vindicating Mrs. Clinton of wrongdoing stating that she broke no laws governing the handling of classified data. Comey said "we have no evidence that's sufficient to justify the conclusion that she violated any of the statutes with respect to classified information."

    I wish the various walk-backs of his original (4.50 / 2) (#5)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 06:57:42 AM EST
    statement were getting nearly the play. I had a Facebook skirmish with someone yesterday who had only herd the original version. Of course he then defaulted to the 'well I hate Hillary anyway' stance, so the facts don't matter to everyone...but I do know other people that this matters to.

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    Yes, and (none / 0) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 09:54:35 AM EST
    Director Comey's response to Senator Sasse (R.NE) was a walk -back.  And, an unde-reported one at that. But, it will surely be used by the Clinton Campaign...not for the various Republican basket cases, but for others.

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    The esteemed (none / 0) (#9)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 05:18:41 PM EST
    Jonathan Turley poses many troubling questions ...

    http://tinyurl.com/zq8w7gx

    The latest recipient of an immunity deal from the Justice Department is one of Clinton's closest aides and a figure at the heart of the email scandal, Cheryl Mills. She joins two other central figures in benefiting from such deals: former State Department staffer, Bryan Pagliano and tech specialist Paul Combetta. In addition to at least two other immunized witnesses according to the Associated Press, they represent the big three of officials involved in the underlying allegations of Clinton's potential criminal conduct. Their collective immunization is baffling.


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    Turley seems (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 05:37:46 PM EST
    to have found himself a very lucrative market called fleecing the conservatives. I guess he's thinking why not get in on it when and get some money and attention from the rubes along with the Breitbart crowd.

    You were quoting the always wrong Turley months ago but then being always wrong never seems to be much of a deterrent to you and more likely seems to be something you embrace above all else. LOL.

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    Turley (none / 0) (#11)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 05:39:56 PM EST
    Is a legal scholar,
    And, as usual, you attack the man, instead of addressing the very salient points he brings up.

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    Trevor (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 07:03:08 PM EST
    you can't debate a conspiracy theory. Of course you would not recognize that because opinions are the same as facts to all you members of the wingnut welfare brigade. Was or was not Turley completely wrong about the entire email thing for months? I will answer for you. The answer is yes. He's fleecing you but I guess you should just lay back and enjoy it. Right? You guys are the most naive people on the face of this earth who will believe anything. Trump is your Frankenstein's monster of a continual stream of fact free analysis come to life.

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    "Salient points" - heh (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 07:43:56 PM EST
    Specious smears in the form of "questions" are not "salient points".  If you or Turley are actually "baffled" by the grants of immunity, I would suggest you actually learn something about the profession you claimed to have been a part of.  If, OTOH, you want to make an accusation, then try to come up with actual facts and evidence to support your claims.  It would be a refreshing change of pace.

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    So (none / 0) (#15)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:11:40 PM EST
    Turley is now in the business of smears.

    Next  thing you will be saying is he started a new branch of the Alt Right.

    Keep up the good work

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    No - I think Turley's "bafflement" ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:17:15 PM EST
    ... may be sincere (although biased).

    Yours, OTOH, ... not so much.

    Both are completely lacking in facts or evidence to back up your claim that the immunity agreements are unwarranted or that they are evidence of wrongdoing.

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    You appear to be operating under ... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 07:09:39 PM EST
    "What was the use of my having come from Oakland it was not natural to have come from there yes write about it if I like or anything if I like but not there, there is no there there."
    - Gertrude Stein (1874-1946), Everybody's Autobiography, p. 289 (1937)

    ... the faulty assumption that an offer of transactional immunity to witnesses and their acceptance thereof during an active investigation is the equivalent of Monopoly's "Get Out of Jail Free" card, an entirely one-sided transaction which somehow grants those witnesses a license to lie and / or mislead investigators if they so choose.

    A person who's been granted immunity by the U.S. Dept. of Justice is still under legal obligation to tell the truth to federal investigators, or else that person's agreement with DOJ is rendered null and void, and he / she is then potentially subject to prosecution.

    It's rather amazing that you have yet to figure this out. But then, I suppose that in your defense, the continued beating of all these dead right-wing horses must otherwise take up an awful lot of your time.

    Have a nice evening.

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    Per the good Professor (none / 0) (#16)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:14:58 PM EST
    I think I will trust the good professor

    The easiest way for prosecutors to scuttle a criminal case is to immunize those people who are at the greatest risk of criminal indictment. Often prosecutors will avoid immunity deals in favor of offering plea bargains to key players, tying their cooperation against others to reduced sentences. Although a witness can lose an immunity deal by withholding evidence or lying, a witness can undermine cases against superiors by tailoring their accounts or memories to avoid statements showing intent or knowledge.

    Combetta's immunity deal was perplexing. Combetta used a product called BleachBit to eradicate evidence of Clinton emails after a telephone conference with Clinton staffers. When he used the product, he admitted that he knew that Congress had issued a subpoena ordering the preservation of the evidence. Then, this month, it was alleged by a "Twitter sleuth" that Combetta, acting under the alias "stonetear," solicited advice on how to change email records to remove a "VIP's (VERY VIP) email address."  Either Combetta did not disclose this effort in violation of his immunity deal or the Justice Department effectively removed a serious threat of indictment though the agreement. Despite immunity deals pledging cooperation with all parts of the government, both Pagliano and Combetta have refused to answer questions from Congress, and Pagliano is facing a contempt sanction.


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    Given that one of the recent headlines ... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 10:50:39 PM EST
    ... in Turley's own blog was "Finger-Licking Fatwa," I think I'll trust my own sober judgment over that of a publicity-seeking attorney who's obviously attempting to manufacture controversy where none otherwise exists, and an obvious right-wing troll whose clown car has long since been enveloped by its own dust cloud.

    It's really not worth staying up past your bed time.

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    And (none / 0) (#23)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 05:37:45 AM EST
    Myself, and most of the country still feel the same way as the good professor.

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    That's great (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 08:11:47 AM EST
    But I'll defer to the professionals who: 1) know what they're talking about,  2)  have seen the evidence, and 3) unanimously agreed there was no basis for a criminal case.

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    You may speak for yourself only, as I do. (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 12:09:27 PM EST
    But don't presume for even one nanosecond that you speak for "most of the country" on this or any other issue, because you do not. It's the height of pomposity, arrogance and self-delusion to think otherwise.

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    Yes, the fix is in. (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 09:45:12 PM EST
    The question is if Trump wins...what then?

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    Baghdad Bob lives. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 01:48:29 AM EST
    Then the Tea Partiers ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 08:41:05 AM EST
    ... will rejoice while the rest of the country lives with their shame and buyer's remorse sets in.

    Is that what you meant?

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    Either way (none / 0) (#44)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 04:25:05 AM EST
    No matter which candidate wins, this country is torn.
    Time to change the nomination process.

    The corrupt elitist insider is one nominee

    While the other is is a complete a$$ with no neurons connecting brain to mouth, whose primary qualification to this supporters, is that he is not a elitist insider politician.

    The next 4 years will just be lovely.

    Need to find a nice affordable ,lol, fishing community away from the masses, for a poor civil servant contemplating retirement within 4 years

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    Trevor, you would not like the keys, (none / 0) (#45)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 08:33:25 AM EST
    since we're not very nice, but we are a fishing community.  You're best bet is over on the west coast of Florida, where the fat cat Republicans live.

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    Well (none / 0) (#48)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 06:28:05 AM EST
    Friends have told me the Keys were nice, but maybe they were wrong.
    Affordable is very very important here.

    Looked online , for areas resembling where I live, with less snow, and taxes.

    barrier beach, inlets. Saw some in North Carolina, Year round fishing from the beach, and they still have striped bass fishing, all the way down there.
    One was Calabash.

    Just a project to while away cold winter days counting down to fishing season. As to it actually occurring.....Ehhhh

    Always did want to splurge once and try out the Peacock Bass fishing in the Amazon. Just being in that remote environment alone would be a impetus for that trip. One can dream  

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    Actually, ... not even close (none / 0) (#47)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 09:05:29 PM EST
    The corrupt elitist insider is one nominee

    Hillary is the Democratic nominee.

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    note to Mr. Turley (4.33 / 3) (#25)
    by mm on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 08:35:04 AM EST
    There never was a "criminal case"

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    I think I will trust ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:45:36 PM EST
    ... .the people who actually do this for a living and know what they're talking about, including the facts and evidence of this case.

    But I understand why some would want to  believe Turley, who - like them - reads the newspaper for his "evidence"'.

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    Happy Birthday, my friend (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 28, 2016 at 07:28:46 PM EST
    and remember, you're also nearly three months younger than I am!

    And, (none / 0) (#39)
    by NYShooter on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 02:26:24 AM EST
    waaay better looking, too!

    Pleading guilty as an unrepentant chauvinist, Peter, but, she is just so gorgeous, really.

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    And when have you seen (none / 0) (#42)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 10:58:22 AM EST
    a picture of me?  ;)

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    Happy birthday, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 28, 2016 at 04:50:52 PM EST
    A pint in your honor with a traditional Irish birthday toast:

    "May you live to be one hundred years -- with one extra year to repent."

    Aloha.

    I'm going to give Marco Rubio ... (none / 0) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 02:43:12 PM EST
    ... the benefit of the doubt here, because I really don't believe that he actually understands how the Cuban Embargo law works.

    I mean, why else would this emptiest of Brooks Bros. suits retweet a nonsensically misleading pro-Trumpian post from "Capitol Hill Cubans," which was hastily written in panicked response to Ken Eichenwald's latest Newsweek exposé about Trump's willful circumvention of that embargo law for his own perceived benefit?

    Florida deserves better than this intellectual flyweight. Whether Floridians actually think they do, well, that's another matter entirely.

    Aloha.

    Have a Happy Birthday Jeralyn (none / 0) (#8)
    by vicndabx on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 03:55:17 PM EST
    many many more!

    Depressing candidates (none / 0) (#18)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:29:38 PM EST
    Will depress voter turnout

    Per Gallup

    http://tinyurl.com/gm858hf

    69% of U.S. adults are sure they will vote, down from 76% in 2012
    72% have given a lot of thought to the election; lowest figure since 2000
    Intent to vote is down sharply among U.S. adults aged 18 to 34

    One reason for the decline in Democrats' intent to vote could be the depressed percentage of young voters this year saying they will definitely vote -- now at 47%, down from 58% in 2012 and from a peak of 74% in 2008.

    In contrast to the 11-point drop since 2012 in young adults' voting intention, there has been a seven-point decline among 35- to 54-year-olds and virtually no decline among those aged 55 and older.



    This is good news (none / 0) (#20)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 10:49:29 PM EST
    ...for John McCain.

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    Actually, no (none / 0) (#22)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 05:36:46 AM EST
    John McCain isn't running this time.
    Now if the 2016 numbers were applied to the 2008 election, then it would have been good news for John McCain

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    It's a joke (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 08:51:07 AM EST
    that you apparently missed completely.

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    Humor is wasted (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 11:53:01 AM EST
    ...on conservatives.

    Good thing there are liberals on this site who understand subtlety.

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    Where's the humor (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by NYShooter on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 05:07:16 PM EST
    in this partial list of Neocon, War Mongers supporting Hillary?

    1. John Negroponte
    2. Henry Kissinger
    3. Dick Cheney
    4. Lindsey Graham
    5. Richard Perle
    6. Elliot Cohen
    7. Condoleezza Rice
    8. John McCain
    9. Robert Kagan
    10. Max Boot
    11. Noemie Emery
    12. Jim Inhofe

    Does this mean that Trump should be our next President? No, of course not. But, on a site like Talk Left, that once was open to frank and knowledgeable discussion, it's gotten to the point where it's barely recognizable.

    And, the most discouraging change of all is that some of the commenters who I've always considered to be among our "best and brightest, seem to have succumbed to "anything for laugh, baby seal slaughter" Mob mentality here.

    Just a shame.


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    Here's the humor (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 05:52:16 PM EST
    (If you have to explain a joke, it won't be funny.)

    You are correct that these people are a waste of carbon and oxygen.

    But...

    Even these despicable, criminal, treasonous, vile scuzzwads recognize that Trump is not fit for any job more important than convenience store clerk.  And not even in any store we might visit.

    If these people consider Trump too vile for their support, that is a level of vile that has not yet been seen on Earth.  If you are too evil for Dick Cheney to support you, what does that say?

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    Hey, great response, Repack (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by NYShooter on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 02:08:14 AM EST
    Seriously.

    Plus, I don't see any need to argue against any of your characterizations of D. Trump. But, I also don't understand why Trump's odious character, and, his demonstrated disqualification regarding the qualities we'd want in a President should indemnify HRC from some very troubling, and, dangerous, ideas she has regarding the current, and, future state of Geopolitical affairs.

    Finally, not that you are one who made this claim, but, nowhere did I say any of these people endorsed Hillary Clinton. I, simply, said they "supported" her, like in saying nice things about her and her policies, primarily regarding her penchance for being quick to advocate for the military option, and her  desire to use the current window of undisputed American Military dominance to compel all nations to conduct their international affairs in accordance with that recognition.

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    There's one more thing... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 03:46:11 PM EST
    I also don't understand why Trump's odious character, and, his demonstrated disqualification regarding the qualities we'd want in a President should indemnify HRC from some very troubling, and, dangerous, ideas she has regarding the current, and, future state of Geopolitical affairs.

    So who is your next option, since Trump is insane?  Ms. Clinton has met with, and can certainly name all the world leaders that the Libertarian couldn't remember the names of.

    As you know, Hillary has been ACCUSED of heinous crimes for decades, and not one has been shown to be a fact.

    In the fable of the kid who cried "Wolf!" it was only twice before people stopped believing him.  In Hillary's case we have had hundreds of no-show wolves over 25 years, and the gullible rubes still expect one.  Do you expect one?

    Kinda reminds me of the optimistic kid who got a pile of horse manure for Christmas, and was overjoyed because he thought that meant he was getting the horse.  After 25 years and no horse, he still holds out hope, just like you do.

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    Not for (none / 0) (#33)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 06:01:04 PM EST
    Cheney, he has endorsed Trump. He is a sucker for utterly amoral pathological liars.

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    Not sure where you ... (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 07:18:39 PM EST
    ... came up with this list (or the logic behind it), but it didn't sound believable.  At least two of them have specifically endorsed Trump (McCain, Cheney).  Inhofe said he would support the Republican nominee (Trump).  Kissinger didn't endorse Clinton.  Don't care about the others enough to look them up.

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    Lindsay Graham (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 07:47:18 PM EST
    said he would not vote for Hillary nor would he vote for Trump. I hardly call that an endorsement. I don't know where that list came from but it's pretty much bogus. I find no record of Condi Rice endorsing her and Colin Powell though not mentioned there certainly is not.

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    Yes, and there (none / 0) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 10:48:28 AM EST
    are endorsements, "support" and saying nice things, which may include such things as she appreciates the value of foreign policy.  And, perhaps, that if she is up at 3 am it will be to deal with national security affairs, not, as with Trump, beauty queen vendettas.  

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    I haven't seen a long list (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 11:24:44 AM EST
    that humorless outside of the Old Testament..

    And for your information Shooter, I personally haven't "succumbed to it"; I was always that way.

    I did draw the line though, at tracking little Bernie down on the ice, and suddenly finding good reasons to rehabilitate Kissinger.

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    You're taking yourself way too seriously. (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 12:52:58 PM EST
    The San Diego Union-Tribune has never ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 12:57:47 PM EST
    ... endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate in its entire 148-year history -- until today.