USA Today: Trump Unfit to Be President

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 09:13:09 PM EST
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USA today made its first presidential endorsement in its 34 year history. It declares Donald Trump unfit to be President:

We haven't made a voting recommendation in 34 years. For this election, we made an exception

..This year, the choice isn’t between two capable major party nominees who happen to have significant ideological differences. This year, one of the candidates — Republican nominee Donald Trump — is, by unanimous consensus of the Editorial Board, unfit for the presidency.

While this and other mainstream media opposition may not matter to his under-informed fans, that's besides the point if they don't show up to vote. Trump doesn't have a cohesive get out the vote effort. Hillary has been working on hers for 8 years. He doesn't even seem to have much of a campaign. [More...]

The more the establishment turns on Trump, the more likely Trump's marginalized and under-informed fan base will turn out to cheer him with their hate-filled signs and screams. But turning out at rallies to be part of the action is very different than making the personal decision to fill out a ballot and mail it in or show up to vote. I'd bet most of them can't be bothered, don't have the attention span, or will just blow it off. They are rabel-rousers, not activists.

Even if Trump's hard-core fans aren't smart enough to distinguish between real life and a reality show, or are simply too angry and bitter to bother, most voters can, and I believe they will turn out in droves to reject Trump's narcissistic, sexist immigrant-bashing carnival barking.

There's really a simple reason Trump won't win this election: He's cringe-worthy on a personal level. He goes against everything we were ever taught about how to treat people. I've said it many times -- we were raised better, and we know it.

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And then there's this: (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 10:30:07 PM EST

Los Angeles Times | September 29, 2016
Trump's rise draws white supremacists into political mainstream: "I am winning," says David Duke - "David Duke worked the Louisiana gun show like a preacher pursuing souls, cornering potential voters as they picked over firearms and ammo. The robes are gone and the rhetoric is softer than during his grand wizard days. But Duke has not shed his relentless proselytizing for the white race, even though voters have repeatedly rejected the former Ku Klux Klan leader's attempts to regain public office. Duke is undeterred. As he sees it, this is the moment. After last running for election in 1999, he's back with a long-shot bid for Louisiana's open U.S. Senate seat. And his reason for optimism is clear: Donald Trump."

Oy.

: Gag....verp (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 06:10:42 PM EST

Stop the Presses! (5.00 / 7) (#2)
by Repack Rider on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 10:44:52 PM EST

It declares Donald Trump unfit to be President:

I'm not a journalist. But I scooped USA Today by...a year or two on this story.

: The Internet has been won (5.00 / 3) (#13)
by Towanda on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 06:35:27 PM EST

for the day, so I am too humbled to post more than this praise.

The San Diego Union-Tribune has never ... (5.00 / 2) (#3)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 01:02:27 PM EST

... endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate in its entire 148-year history -- until today.

: New ownership. Goodbye (none / 0) (#8)
by oculus on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 03:47:13 PM EST

Doug Manchester.

Gingrich: Alicia Machado is the new Benghazi. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 02:05:15 PM EST

LINK. The GOP is swirling down an open storm drain.

Swirling the drain (none / 0) (#6)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 02:33:27 PM EST

is almost an understatement at this point. Bringing back Gingrich and Giuliani from the political graveyard has to also be another stupid decision for the books.


Has a sex tape surfaced? (none / 0) (#9)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 05:02:44 PM EST

Yes. Trump in soft-porn tape (5.00 / 3) (#14)
by Towanda on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 06:38:01 PM EST

See the marvelous Amanda Marcotte Daily.


: Amazing (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 07:39:41 PM EST

Yes, a sex tape has indeed surfaced. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 06:44:38 PM EST

Unfortunately for the Trump campaign, it's not one that stars the former Miss Universe 1996, but a soft-core Playboy video from 2000 in which Mr. Trump actually makes a cameo appearance, playing the part of host to several Playmates who are visiting New York City, and cracking open a bottle of champagne with them in a limo.


Soft (5.00 / 3) (#16)
by FlJoe on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 07:35:37 PM EST

core pron and hard core crime (MMMV)

A company controlled by Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for president, secretly conducted business in Communist Cuba during Fidel Castro's presidency despite strict American trade bans that made such undertakings illegal, according to interviews with former Trump executives, internal company records and court filings.

and the pre-planned cover-up

Once the business consultants traveled to the island and incurred the expenses for the venture, Seven Arrows instructed senior officers with Trump's company--then called Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts--how to make it appear legal by linking it after the fact to a charitable effort.

and a big fat lie for dessert

The payment by Trump Hotels came just before the New York business mogul launched his first bid for the White House, seeking the nomination of the Reform Party. On his first day of the campaign, he traveled to Miami, where he spoke to a group of Cuban-Americans, a critical voting bloc in the swing state. Trump vowed to maintain the embargo and never spend his or his companies' money in Cuba until Fidel Castro was removed from power.

Eichenwald at newsweek and Fahrenthold at the WP, deserve kudos if not Pulitzers for their investigative reporting, not that it gains much traction against beauty queens and Trumps outrageous behavior.


: A sex tape is a sex tape (none / 0) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 07:40:20 PM EST

I don't think they have much choice.. (none / 0) (#10)
by jondee on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 06:04:47 PM EST

In sportswriter parlance, the Repubs don't exactly have a deep bench..

All the really smart conservatives these days opt out politics and become talk radio hosts, contract killers, and sexual surrogates.


I just read Gingrich's remarks (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 06:12:18 PM EST

The bench is heading to the locker room ;)


: The three Repuiblican stoges: (5.00 / 1) (#39)
by KeysDan on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 10:34:23 AM EST

Larry Giuliani, Moe Gingrich and Curly Trump. Nine wives among them. And, counting?

Chicago newspapers endorse different (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by caseyOR on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 03:39:11 PM EST

candidates, neither of whom is Trump.

The Chicago Tribune endorsed Gary Johnson. The Sun-Times endorsed Hillary Clinton.

It is a sad day for the Republican Party when Colonel McCormick's journalistic legacy cannot bring itself to endorse the Republican candidate.

USA Today, by unanimous consensus (none / 0) (#4)
by KeysDan on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 01:22:56 PM EST

Trump is unfit for the presidency. What about the other part? who to vote for? Maybe, USA Today was bought by Ted Cruz?

All you folks who condemn (none / 0) (#19)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 10:18:24 PM EST

Trump's porn....

You also condemned Larry Flynn....didn't you??

Broadbrush on everyone (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 10:53:13 PM EST

If you feel like a fence it's because Jim just treated you like one.

You are nothing if not comical


Well, I apologize MT (none / 0) (#30)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 09:05:16 AM EST

my old wore out fingers made a typo...I meant Flynt.

I think Donald caught on...anyway...in case you never heard of Flynt he is the publisher of the world's second most famous soft porn magazine, "Hustler."

(Or so I am told, having never never looked at any of the almost neekiid pictures of women that a buddy said was inside.... ;-)

But I did defend his right to publish. I did have a interesting conversation with a preacher pointing out that the bible has some pretty wild passages in it... I wanted to know when they were going to cut out the egregious ones...

The sarcasm, of course, is that he was, in IMO, defended by the Left and Libertarians as well as Social Liberals. One of more famous quotes.

Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.

Now we find that the Left is attacking Trump because of his supposed association with some soft porn.

What it is.... is hypocrisy. You can't support something and then attack a political opponent for his alleged actions in regards to it.

There are many more things to attack Trump over. I think he likes to see you folks use the one that shows your love of the double standard.

As for the voters, your only market is the Religious Right and they are already, as we say in p&ker, "All in" for him and won't leave.


It's not "hypocrisy" of any sort.. (5.00 / 3) (#32)
by jondee on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 09:20:20 AM EST

Flynt has been ripped to shreds by tons of feminists on the Left for years.

If that imaginary strawman of yours were any bigger, it could be rampaging through Tokyo like Godzilla.

And now it's crashed and burned. Try again.


That's not "hypocrisy" (5.00 / 2) (#42)
by Yman on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 02:47:19 PM EST

Actually, you can. Quite easily ... and consistently. For example, under the First Amendment Flynt has a right to free speech - and you and your candidate have the right to make the most offensive, sexist, xenophobic, etc. statements that pop into your minds. Say, for example, posting pictures of Obama as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose - or watermelons growing on the front lawn of the Obama Whitehouse ... or calling for a ban on all Muslims entering the US (including US citizens) ...

Now Trump chose to exercise his rights to free speech by hypocritically fat-shaming and s/ut-shaming a woman, not to mention using r@cial slurs ("Miss Housekeeping"). Then everyone with any sense of humanity called him on it, exercising their own right of free speech. )Others, like you, decided to join in with Trump's comments and defend them, exposing your true selves.

Free speech is a great thing.


The issue isn't free speech (none / 0) (#44)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 03:17:01 PM EST

The issue is that the Left supported Flynt.

And yes feminist attacked because of what he published.

To accept that you have to say that while Flynt had free speech and the right to publish... he could publish only what the Left approved of.

A more liberal view was that not only could he publish, women had the right to use their bodies in any way they chose.

So you can call telling an employee she had to lose weight to keep her job "fat shaming."

Yet you support Flynt for not showing pictures of overweight females and publishing almost hard porn. While the feminist portion wants to deny women the right to use their body as they want.

So the hypocrisy remains.

To paraphrase Chinatown, "It's politics, Jake."

I must have missed (5.00 / 2) (#49)
by Repack Rider on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 04:20:46 PM EST

...the time Larry Flynt ran for president with liberal support. When was that?

And when you say, "the left," do you have a few names, or is this a generic accusation without support? This may be a surprise to you, but "the left" is a lot of people with many positions on any given subject.

Clearly you didn't know that, but now you do.


: I'm giggling, nothing demonstrated (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 01:14:28 PM EST

That fact more than the pie fight/women's studies wtf moment at dailykos, because the Left generally doesn't care about what anyone does sexually with adults and consent...."the left" is all over the road when it comes to pornography.
In a bizarre almost split personality though, the Right will attempt to shame a women for doing exactly what the men are doing. If being in a sex tape was supposed to make a woman disgusting why doesn't it also make Donald Trump disgusting? Trump is such a pig

Reading, logic ... (5.00 / 2) (#50)
by Yman on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 05:40:13 PM EST

... harder than they look, huh, Jim?

No - it's not hypocrisy. You don't have to support everything someone says or does. can actually support some things a person (Flynt) says and not other things they do or say. You do it yourself all the time.

Yep - they do. But pointing out that Flynt and the women who posed have the right to do that under the 1st Amendment doesn't mean someone supports or favors the publication of Flynt's magazine. They can also call such magazines exploitive and be entirely consistent. For example, I would acknowledge that the KKK has the right to peaceably assemble under the 1st amenedment. I would also exercise my right to point out they are a r@cist, hate group. It's entirely consistent.

That's not what Trump did. First, the President of the pageant was on record even at the time specifically denying Trump's claim that they were going to fire her. More importantly, what Trump (and YOU) did then and NOW went far beyond that. He called her "Miss Housekeeping". He called her "Miss Piggy". He called her "the Incredible Bulk". He (and YOU) tried to s/ut shame her by claiming she was in a $ex tape. YOU called her "fat" and said that was the "truth", when it's nothing more than a ridiculous (and hypocritical) opinion you share with Trump.

Trump's smears gainst her - and yours - aren't "politics".

They're just juvenile, disgusting smears.


Jim (none / 0) (#66)
by pitachips on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 01:15:18 PM EST

I respect your persistence but you might want to sit this one out. Trust me, your side will come out of this much stronger if you take your medicine and allow Trump to crash and burn.

The silver lining for the GOP if you guys nominated someone with Trump's "platform" but without the diarrhea of the mouth, this election probably would've turned out pretty close. He has provided a roadmap that will have a much greater chance of future success then rehashing the GOP of the 90s/00s.


Caution: Low-Hanging Piñata Ahead. (5.00 / 5) (#24)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 11:14:27 PM EST

Last I heard, oh holiest of Christianist rollers, Larry Flynt wasn't condemning adult entertainment as a means of pandering for votes amongst all you moralizing tighty whities. If anything, Flynt has always been honest and forthright about how he earns his money, which is a helluva lot more than we can say for your precious GOP nominee.

Now, speaking for myself only, I don't have a problem with whatever people want to enjoy as far as their own private entertainment goes, as long as it involves consenting adults. But where I do draw the line is with personal hypocrisy on such matters, by which people seek to lambaste others over a particular issue while simultaneously making an exception of themselves.

For an example, please see "Ashburn, Sen. Roy" and "Proposition 8." A more recent example of that would be the GOP-dominated Utah State Legislature and Gov. Jerry Herbert, who only four months ago declared that adult entertainment constituted a public health menace. Only that bit of political posturing which completely belies the fact that Utah is the No. 1 consumer per capita of online adult-oriented material in the entire friggin' country.

The odds are therefore certainly better than even that more than a few members of that supposedly august body, who voted in favor of that silly resolution and then harrumphed appropriately for the TV news cameras afterward, also indulge themselves otherwise when they're behind closed doors.

As for Trump, who has repeatedly displayed a marked penchant for doubling down on stupid and not knowing when to shut up, he claimed this morning via Twitter that former Miss Universe Alicia Machado had made a sex tape. He implied that she's an immoral slut, only to have his attempt at manufacturing scandal roundly blow up in his face, when his own cameo appearance in a soft-core adult-oriented production from Playboy Video quickly came to light.

So, you'll have to excuse us for having a hearty laugh at Der Trumpenfuhrer's expense. And if you don't want to do so, well, who cares?

Adios.


: Der Trumpenfuher ;) (none / 0) (#25)
by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 12:02:57 AM EST

I have never said anything about (none / 0) (#23)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 10:57:38 PM EST

Larry Flynn, I don't even know who Larry Flynn is.


Larry Flynt's running for POTUS?!? (none / 0) (#28)
by Yman on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 08:44:55 AM EST

Heh.


Larry Flynt did not (none / 0) (#43)
by MKS on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 03:03:54 PM EST

run for President of the Family Values party.


And now we have another (none / 0) (#20)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 10:32:19 PM EST

One of the best-known figures in the international beauty business, the Venezuelan Alicia Machado, has appeared in court accused of being an accomplice in an attempted murder.
Miss Machado and her boyfriend deny involvement in an attack in Caracas in which the boyfriend's brother-in-law was shot in the head.

I am sure it was Trump's fault.

Accused vs convicted....hmmmmm? (5.00 / 3) (#22)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 30, 2016 at 10:54:25 PM EST

Trump has been accused of sexually assaulting a 14 yr old


Trump the pimp (none / 0) (#27)
by jondee on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 08:44:21 AM EST

not only does he recruit women with shady pasts, but he then berates and abuses them for their appearence the way a common pimp would.

Maybe the Repubs should pick a classier candidate next time and actually run Larry Flynt.


Let me know when he appears in court (none / 0) (#33)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 09:21:41 AM EST

Maybe him and Clinton can be tried together based on accusations... but so far Bill is in the lead 3 to 1....

lol

But thanks for making my point. And to expand...

After winning the Miss Universe title in 1996, Miss Machado announced that all she wanted to do was "eat, eat and eat".
Her subsequent weight gain, and battle to lose it, was the subject of intense media coverage, particularly in Latin America.

Trump is guilty of harsh non PC words. No doubt.

But again, many voters are tried of what they see as PC BS.... They want competence, not a buddy.

The best boss I ever had was a pure AH on a personal level. On what I needed him for, professionally and business, he has great.


No, Trump is guilty ... (5.00 / 2) (#34)
by Yman on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 09:30:31 AM EST

... of being a sexist/misogynist. His comments go far beyond Ms. Machado, and far beyond those who try excuse them and minimize them as "harsh non PC words". Do you really need a list of his history of demeaning women? Or, in Ms. Machado's case, his hypocritical smear of her "$ex tape" (hint - only one of them was in a soft-porn movie - and it wasn't her). Here's a partial list to get you started.


Words (none / 0) (#36)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 09:58:57 AM EST

have meanings. He called her fat. She was.

The truth often hurts.

She was about to be fired.

Evidently the shock treatment worked.

Now he could have slinked around and said, "Hey I personally love plump women but a lot of guys don't..why don't you see if you can drop 60 pounds..it'll make everyone happy..."

Would she had lost them???

His communications were short, direct and effective.

PC language is often used to hide very important things. Like Obama refusal to call out radical islamists as radical islamists.

Me? I don't want "safe spaces." Give me the facts in as plain and as short as possible..."

I seem to remember our ambassador to Iraq was PC to the max in her conversation with Saddam pre Desert Storm.

Journalist 1 - Are the transcripts (holding them up) correct, Madam Ambassador?(Ambassador Glaspie does not respond)
Journalist 2 - You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait ) but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the opposite - that America was not associated with Kuwait.
Journalist 1 - You encouraged this aggression - his invasi on. What were you thinking?
U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.

Link to interview

Just think what would have been avoided..all the dead...everything that has happened and will happen... if she had merely said.

"We understand you have disagreements with Kuwait.

Settle them. But know that if you attack Kuwait we will be forced to enter the war on their side."


I can go down to any bar (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by jondee on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 10:18:26 AM EST

in my city at any time and find a dozen drunks who are masters of "non-PC language" -- even more so than Trump or any of the knuckle-walking crowd over at Breitbart.

That doesn't make them qualified for diplomatic careers.

The Right's obsession with "PC" is a cover for their frustration over the effort required to think clearly, and also with the fact that as individual centers-of-the- universe they feel they should be able to talk to anyone anyway they want.


Words DO have meanings (5.00 / 4) (#38)
by Yman on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 10:25:08 AM EST

He called her fat. She was.
The truth often hurts.

"That's not the "truth" - merely the hypocritical opinion of two, old white men.

Trump didn't just call her "fat". He humiliated her and fat-shamed her because she's a woman, and not being perfectly fit in Trump's eye's is a mortal sin .. for women. His own weight/obesity? Not really a problem in his mind.

It's the hypocrisy. (BTW - She wasn't "fat" and they weren't about to "fire her".)

He also called her "Miss Housekeeping" because she's Latina. He also called her "Miss Piggy" and "the incredible Bulk", hypocritically mocking what HE (and you) consider to be an appropriate weight. Then he tried to slut-shame her for being in a "$ex tape", despite the fact that only one of them was in a soft-pron movie. Then he (and YOU) tried smearing her with accusations that were dismissed.


Of course, a guy who posts pictures (5.00 / 7) (#40)
by jondee on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 10:54:27 AM EST

of watermelon patches on the Whitehouse lawn, isn't going to object to "Miss Housekeeping."

That's what these folks really like about Trump: he gives them permission to be themselves.

No longer do the bigots and half-wits have to struggle so much to censor themselves.

Trump has liberated them.


He saved her job, (none / 0) (#45)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 03:18:53 PM EST

Means nothing to you. Just another piece of fodder to use against your political enemy.


He "saved her job" just like (5.00 / 5) (#46)
by Peter G on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 03:49:56 PM EST

he "put the birther controversy to rest."


Alicia Machado (5.00 / 3) (#47)
by MKS on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 03:55:12 PM EST

suffered from eating disorders for five years after Trump's fat shaming of her. He humiliated her in public.

I have no doubt you think that is fine. I think you will find yourself in a small minority on that point.


Piece of fodder (5.00 / 2) (#48)
by MKS on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 03:56:26 PM EST

Projection.

Trump is now sl*t shaming Ms. Machado. Talk about fodder.


Except he DIDN'T even do that (5.00 / 1) (#51)
by Yman on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 05:47:02 PM EST

Your hero is nothing more than a pathetic excuse for a man (no offense to actual men):

But allegations that Machado was in danger of losing her crown were not true, the Miami Herald reported in April 1997.

"We did not consider taking away her crown," Miss Universe president Maureen Reidy told the Herald. "We're not about being thin; we're about being physically fit."
Reidy also disputed claims that Machado was overeating. Her weight gain, Reidy said, was due to her body and metabolism adjusting to an "unhealthy diet that did not allow her to eat after noon" enforced by pageant official in Venezuela. "She was put under unrealistic restraints."

But your sudden concern for the woman you were calling "fat" and smearing with charges of murder that were completely dismissed is duly noted.


Yeah sure (none / 0) (#52)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 09:30:30 AM EST

The Miss Universe pageant is not about the "perfect body." ;-)

When was the last winner 60 pounds over weight???

And if the weight gain wasn't caused by over eating, how did not eating cause the loss??

Over eat. Gain. Not eat. Lose. Watch diet and keep it off. I think I see a connection there.

And I am glad to see my historian putting things in my "permanent record." lol


Machado wasn't "60 lbs. overweight" (5.00 / 2) (#53)
by Yman on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 10:04:33 AM EST

The fact that you and Trump say something doesn't make it true. Usually, quite the opposite.

BTW - "Historian" - no. That would suggest your silly ramblings have some kind of significance. They don't. I just like to call bu//$hit when hypocritical, false claims are being made. You and your candidate make it too easy.


Heh (none / 0) (#54)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 10:23:59 AM EST

And he told the AP then what he says now: that Miss Universe officials wanted to depose Machado, but he stepped in to spare her.
'There were people in the pageant industry who thought there should be a termination,' Trump told the AP.

Snip

Famous publicity! Before I had 15 pounds more, nobody knows [me]. Now I am Miss Universe and everybody knows.
Miss Universe 1996 Alicia Machado, exclaiming to reporters how much she was enjoying the spotlight after her high-profile weight gain
'The weight was unacceptable to a lot of people. It was not unacceptable to me.'

The real estate billionaire paid for a 'wellness' regimen that included a 1,200-calorie, 29-grams-of-fat diet prepared by a 'world-class' chef; laps in Trump's oxygenated, Mediterranean-tiled pool; and a package of perks that included yoga, t'ai chi, shiatsu massage, and guided movement for five hours a day.
Speaking to reporters poolside at Mar-a-Lago, he said that 'there are a lot of people out there who have similar problems, including some of us.'

And? (none / 0) (#56)
by Yman on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 11:20:33 AM EST

Trump made a false claim then to make himself look like a white knight, and he's continuing that false claim. The pageant president immediately denied Trump's claim that she was going to be fired.

But I do appreciate the link with the statements contradicting your own claims that she was "fat" and "60 pounds overweight".

Fifteen pounds (5.00 / 3) (#60)
by Peter G on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 04:00:34 PM EST

Sixty pounds. Whatever. Facts are such annoying little details.


Care to see (none / 0) (#62)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:03:40 PM EST

the interview?


: What makes you think (5.00 / 2) (#63)
by Peter G on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:22:37 PM EST

he was telling the truth during that particular interview? Once revealed as a habitual liar, and in particular the sort of liar who says one thing one time and the opposite another time (and then denies doing so), it is no longer possible to "disprove" that he said X on some occasion by establishing that he said Y on a different occasion. Nor does it help show (much less establish) that "Y" was his true opinion (even assuming there is any such thing as his "true opinion" on anything).

: I already saw it (none / 0) (#64)
by Yman on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:51:42 PM EST

Why would seeing Trump make the same, false, self-serving/aggrandizing claim be any more convincing a second time?
Care to see the article from the head of the pagaent where she said it was completely untrue?
BTW - "60 pounds overweight" - heh. You're the only guy I know who posts videos debunking his own claims.

"non-PC words" (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by jondee on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 09:36:27 AM EST

which exemplify an undignified and boorish lack of civility coupled with a complete tone-deafness to nuance and vital detail..

Yes Jim, the more you talk, the more Larry Flynt sounds like the better candidate for you folks.


"Accused"? "ACCUSED"?!? (none / 0) (#31)
by Yman on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 09:15:49 AM EST

That's a seriously funny standard you've decided to use to try to smear Ms. Merchado. So you enjoy engaging in the same silly, fact-free smears your candidate enjoys, huh, Jim? Should we apply this standard to your candidate and provide links to everything he's been "accused" of? That's not a standard you're going to like for long.


Accused? (none / 0) (#55)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 10:25:25 AM EST

Do you mean "may have?"

Try reading.


No, I meant what I said - "accused" (5.00 / 1) (#57)
by Yman on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 11:25:01 AM EST

One of the best-known figures in the international beauty business, the Venezuelan Alicia Machado, has appeared in court accused of being an accomplice in an attempted murder.

Try reading your own posts.

BTW - To be clear, it should say she was "accused" and the charges were thrown out by the court.


To be clear (none / 0) (#61)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:02:17 PM EST

read the post....

may have

Goose Gander Fair


: I was responding to YOUR post (none / 0) (#65)
by Yman on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:59:16 PM EST

... where you tried to smear Muchado with charges that were dismissed long ago. I used the words from your post.
If you have an issue with someone else's post (i.e. Jeralyn' post), take it up with her. In the meantime, I'm calling you out on your words.

The Los Angeles Times looked into ... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 01:54:28 PM EST

... Trump's charge and noted the following:

"The accusation that she was an accomplice to an attempted murder stems from her involvement with Juan Rodriguez Reggetti, now a well-known Caracas attorney.

"According to media reports at the time, the controversy began after Regetti's sister, eight months pregnant and the mother of an 11-month-old boy, committed suicide. Reggetti is alleged to have fired two shots at his sister's husband, Francisco Sbert Moukso, as he was leaving a memorial service.

"During the subsequent police investigation, Machado was mentioned as having driven the getaway car. She denied the accusation, saying she was filming a soap opera at the time. A judge later said there was insufficient evidence to arrest her."

In other words, Jim, both you and your candidate have once again been caught trafficking in baseless innuendo.

Auf Wiedersehen, mein Herr.


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by fishcamp on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 08:55:27 AM EST

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by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 01, 2016 at 12:48:22 PM EST

... who sounds like he's channeling the great Chico Escuela.