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I'm busy at work today, no time to read the news yet. Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Better Call Saul (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 03:53:40 PM EST
    THe first two episodes were great.  

    Next Sunday AMC has a new one coming that looks great

    The real draw is the same element that drew thousands of people to the Games Of Nonchalance in the first place (and made the saga of Neo so compelling). The thought that this reality isn't all there is, that we were meant for more than this, that we're special. That's Peter's gateway into the Jejune Institute, but fortunately, the series doesn't stop there, instead wisely hooking him up with three engaging teammates. The transition journey of Eve Lindley's effervescent Simone is summed up in her intro, as she works to re-engage with the world. André Benjamin (a.k.a. André 3000) is the meticulously detailed conspiracy theorist Fredwynn, determined to bust the entire game wide open. Best of all is Sally Field; for her character, Janice, the game helps to alleviate her greatest fear: being alone.

    Dispatches From Elsewhere finds some humanity down the rabbit hole

    6-year-old Kaia Rolle threw a temper tantrum ... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 06:05:58 PM EST
    ... at her Orlando, FL charter school, the Lucious and Emma Nixon Academy, last September. School officials responded to the tantrum by calling the Orlando police. By the time OPD officer Dennis Turner arrived on the scene, Kaia had already calmed down and was sitting in the school office, listening to someone read her a story.

    Nevertheless, alleged at the purported prompting of a teacher (which the school has denied), Officer Turner arrested Kaia for misdemeanor battery, handcuffed her, marched her in tears and humiliation through the school's office as school officials quietly stood by, put her in his squad car and took her downtown.

    Whatever happened to common sense? Why weren't there any adults in the room at Nixon Academy to yell "What the fu--!" and stop this travesty? Why was it left to the local prosecutor's office to drop the charges against Kaia and apologize to the girl's grandmother (who's raising Kaia) for the incident?

    Officer Turner has already lost his job over this disgraceful farce, and rightly so. I can think of a few school officials at Nixon Academy who deserve a similar fate. Little kids will occasionally have tantrums. You don't respond by traumatizing them emotionally whenever they act out.

    Lily Tomlin's right. No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up.

    Speaking of tantrums... (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jack E Lope on Thu Feb 27, 2020 at 11:32:13 AM EST
    If the L&E Nixon Academy were a public school, reactionary right-wingers would use it as an example of how government can't do anything right.  It is bottom-two-percent (in Florida!) on test scores and performance rankings, lowest-ranked in the district.  

    Instead, it appears to be an example of what goes wrong with charter schools.

    In its first year, it had smaller-than-average (for Florida elementary schools) student:teacher ratios; in its second year, enrollment grew by 23% without adding teachers - making it worse than Florida's average.  

    In its first year, nearly all (96%) of the students qualified for lunch-price assistance.  I don't know what to make of that number dropping to 18% the next year.  That's a remarkable change, but I do not even have a theory about why it would change so drastically.

    In its second year, Florida Standards Assessment tests were given - few students met standards (worst: 9% of 4th-graders met grade-level standards for mathematics, vs. 63% in the district; best: 33% of 4th-graders met standards for English Language Arts, vs. 57% in the district).  OTOH, another charter school nearby gets standards-met scores over 80% in every category.

    It is possible this charter school was created as a legal form of segregation.  The student demographics: African American - 86% first year, 94% second year of operation; Hispanic - 14% first year, 6% second year; zero white/Asian/Native American/Pacific Islander/mixed-race reported either year.  Zero.

    In their defense, the nearest public school, 1.1 miles away, reports only 1% white, and less-than 3% for any one category except AA and Hispanic.  But you can't blame the neighborhood's demographics when the next-nearest elementary school, 1.3 miles away, is the high-scoring charter school mentioned above - but happens to have much lower rates of AA enrollment, 19% of the student body.   And the nearby high-scoring charter school actually has white students.  And Asian students.  And uniforms that must be purchased from a specific privately-owned business.  And an admissions process that appears to discriminate against anyone without internet access and anyone without educated parents to closely follow specific written instructions.  And fees that appear to discriminate against anyone without a credit card, and anyone without the ability to have an adult pick up the student each day when school lets out - if the student has to wait for a ride, there's a $20 daily charge, unless one makes arrangements for the year - starting at $1,675.  

    So, that's my tantrum.

    Parent

    We have public charter schools in Hawaii. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Feb 27, 2020 at 01:07:25 PM EST
    There's a world of difference between a public charter school and the sort of charter school like Nixon Academy. Public charters out here operate within the state DOE, and their faculty and staff are members of the same unions as their counterparts in mainstream public schools.

    The only difference between public charters and mainstream public schools is in management. The public charter model here is school-community based management, rather than DOE-based. And in many respects, the public charters operate as magnet schools. All but one of the Native Hawaiian language immersion schools are public charter schools.

    Charter schools as they exist in Florida and elsewhere appear to be a thinly-veiled racket and borderline corporate scam, in which a private entity inserts itself into the system as management and then siphons off a portion of the public education student per-pupil allocations for itself.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    I have to admit (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 07:30:48 PM EST
    I really liked "big diners"!

    Ha (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 07:32:27 PM EST
    Vegans

    And she has really big hair.  Easy to spot.

    Parent

    Forty years ago, they were destiny's darlings. (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 02:55:07 AM EST
    The 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team, a brash but ragtag bunch of college players who had been hastily thrown together a few months earlier by the late coach Herb Brooks, has long been regarded as one of the great underdog stories in American sporting lore.

    Their historic and nationally televised 4-3 upset of the U.S.S.R.'s mighty Red Army team at Lake Placid, NY -- immortalized by ABC Sports announcer Al Michaels' famous call as a joyously frenzied crowd counted down the game's final seconds: "Do you believe in miracles? YES!" -- immediately made them the toast of the country. They were truly America's team, at a time when our country desperately needed something to cheer about.

    Fast forward four decades, and it's amazing how quickly one ill-advised public appearance at a Trump rally in Las Vegas can tarnish a cherished memory and personal reputation:

    "If he had to do it again, hockey legend Mike Eruzione said, he would not put on the red 'Keep America Great' hat.

    "He and his teammates from the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey squad hadn't meant to make a grand political statement when they appeared onstage as President Trump's surprise guests at a campaign rally in Las Vegas on Friday. They happened to be in town to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the 'Miracle on Ice' -- their shocking upset of the Soviet Union en route to the gold medal, perhaps the most unifying moment in American sports history -- when they got a call from Trump's campaign inviting them to a private photo line with the president.

    "The next thing they knew, Eruzione said, Trump was introducing them at the rally and a campaign aide was handing them the caps as they took the stage. Four of the former players chose not to wear them -- but 10 others did, prompting a huge backlash on social media from Trump's critics, who view the distinctive red campaign hats as sharply politicized symbols of hate, racism and xenophobia.

    "'You going to light into me, too? We're getting killed!' Eruzione said in an interview. Now serving as the director of special outreach at his alma mater, Boston University, Eruzione said he has received angry calls and messages from the school's alumni. One said he purchased Eruzione's new book about the 1980 team but no longer intends to read it. His Twitter mentions are a nightmare. One message read: 'In 1980, you beat the Russians, and yesterday the Russians beat you.'" (Emphasis is mine.)

    While I feel for them, honestly, these guys really should've known better than to agree to allow themselves to be used as cheap props by Trump, a political grifter that countless numbers of Americans consider to be a thoroughly despicable human being.

    :-(

    " thoroughly despicable human being" (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 08:30:43 AM EST
    Now you're just being nice.

    Parent
    "They were truly... (none / 0) (#23)
    by desertswine on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 01:15:39 PM EST
    America's team, at a time when our country desperately needed something to cheer about."

    So when don't we desperately need something to cheer about?  It seems like we just lumber around from crisis to crisis, every month a new one.

    Parent

    I think you missed the point. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 02:15:50 PM EST
    I was merely discussing how members of the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team foolishly committing the political equivalent of an "own goal," which really has nothing to do with whatever today's crisis du jour is, or whether or not Americans are in perpetual need of good cheer. Sometimes, an amusing story is simply that, and nothing more.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    From our 'Sweet Home Alabama' file: (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Feb 27, 2020 at 02:37:09 PM EST
    "God sent us Donald Trump, because God knew we were in trouble."
    - TV ad for Tommy Tubberville, former Auburn head football coach and current GOP senatorial candidate (February 2020)

    Actually, I think the Lord sent us Donald Trump because Americans were in serious need of a comeuppance, and now we ARE in trouble. Have we since learned our lesson? Given the musings of Tommy Tubberville and Susan Sarandon, apparently not.

    Maybe the Lord has a really vicious sense of humor.

    I'm glad they might make lynching (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 27, 2020 at 02:42:13 PM EST
    A federal crime.  But it does sort of highlight the point that it has not been a federal crime.

    Maybe that's the point

    4,700 lynchings (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:39:30 AM EST
    in the U.S from the end of the Civil War to the late-sixties..

    Just another area, to go along with illiteracy, incarcerations, homicides,and drug ODs, where we put people like those Godless Cuban commies to shame.

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    Weed on Wheels (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:06:08 PM EST
    I just got my first home delivery.

    So awsum.

    To be clear (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:18:27 PM EST
    It's legal.

    My state has medical marijuana my dispensary just started delivering to my neighborhood.

    I am in the far reaches of all existing dispensaries

    But the drive to my favorite is 1 hour thru some beautiful untouched unpopulated mountains.  So I don't mind the drive.

    But I had to have it delivered.  

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    How does the tip work? (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:21:14 PM EST
    Do you tip the driver a slice of pizza, like you tip the pizza delivery guy a nug?

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    Funny They can't take tips (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:27:06 PM EST
    I guess it's a state thing.

    Shrug

    At the dispensary they do.

    What a job tho. All cash business.  So.  You are driving around in an SUV with either thousands of $ or even better through miles and miles of nothing and nowhere.

    Jus sayin.

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    On a known regular (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:32:08 PM EST
    Route

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    Just my opinion, obviously, ... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 01:03:20 PM EST
    ... re: the coronavirus, but I really think our media's editors and producers need to be far more responsible on a personal and professional level, and not pound the public's beleaguered consciousness with panic-inducing headlines and lead-ins:

    Raw Story | February 28, 2020
    Physician reveals to MSNBC's Morning Joe why you're likely to get the coronavirus - "A physician explained to MSNBC's 'Morning Joe' why everyone is likely to get the coronavirus -- maybe not this year, but eventually. Dr. James Hamblin, a staff writer for The Atlantic, wrote a widely circulated report on that likelihood, and he warned that it posed a significant risk to some populations."

    The content of the article itself is fine. It's the headline that's objectionable. While it's important that the public be aware of the coronavirus (as well as other public health concerns) and take appropriate precautions (such as washing one's hands regularly), this is definitely not the way to discuss it with them.

    The majority of people never read past these headlines and they further get their information elsewhere, such as AM squawk radio, where I recently heard one right-wing shock jock and a certain scenery-chewing GOP congressman from the South urge listeners to avoid going to Chinese and Asian restaurants.

    Given that most public health programs are administered at state and local level, we ought to look to these officials for guidance and advice at this particular moment. They and the folks at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are the experts we should be listening to, not the politicians or the media.

    Aloha.

    It would be easier (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 03:35:58 PM EST
    to listen to what the CDC says if their pronouncements henceforth didn't have to go through Pence to be approved, as has now been mandated by the administration."

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    All too true, unfortunately. (none / 0) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 07:08:32 PM EST
    Further, Trump's economic adviser Larry Kudlow has also been named to Pence's panel. They might just as well inject us all intravenously with the coronavirus and get it over with, rather than drag it out like Greta Garbo's demise in "Camille."

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    I'm getting over a cold (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 02:28:57 PM EST
    This is my second recovery day.  A couple of days ago when my throat got scratchy and I knew something was coming I decided I would only go to the doctor if I really  needed to.

    Who wants to get slapped in quarantine.

    Ok, I did not get the thing and I never got very sick but my actual first thought was I'm not goin to the doctor and I'm pretty sure that's what many people would think.

    The hysteria is scary.

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    There will be the two groups ... (none / 0) (#62)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 03:10:47 PM EST
    those who won't go to the hospital unless they're dying.

    And those who go if they have the slightest symptom.  They find out they don't have it.  But catch something else from being in the hospital waiting room.

    ;)

    Parent

    Exactly yes (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 03:22:27 PM EST
    My cold

    I got as a bonus to my recent colonoscopy

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    There could be another correlation. (none / 0) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 07:10:48 PM EST
    Are you sure you didn't get the cold from a Chinese restaurant?

    ;-D

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    RIP (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by ragebot on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 05:04:57 PM EST
    Freeman Dyson.

    Although he would eventually receive some two dozen honorary degrees, Dyson never completed his doctorate. Instead, he became an outspoken opponent of the "Ph.D. system," which he called "an abomination" that discouraged many budding scientists, especially women.
    One of the great scientists in U.S. history ... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 06:58:48 PM EST
    ... was George Washington Carver, who likewise never pursued or received his doctorate. But that was due more to the fact that he was a black man in a 19th century United States, who had been born into slavery in the early 1860s in Missouri.

    George had the good fortune to have had a relatively enlightened owner, Moses Carver, who had adopted George after his parents had been kidnapped by slave raiders from Arkansas. He and his wife Susan raised George and his brother as their own. It was Susan who recognized George's academic aptitudes, and she and her husband actively encouraged his educational pursuits, which was not easy to do because Missouri prohibited education of African Americans. So Susan effectively homeschooled George.

    Even though he had been initially accepted into Highland University (KS) as an undergraduate, George was refused permission to enroll when he showed up. He was thereafter accepted and enrolled as the first black undergraduate at Iowa State College (now university), where he majored in botany. He did so well that his professors encouraged him to pursue a master's degree, which he received in 1896. Afterward, he became the first black faculty member at Iowa State.

    More to the point, Carver's groundbreaking work in the field of soil pathology and the practice of crop rotation was a significant factor in saving the cotton industry in the South in the 1920s and '30s, and with revitalizing agriculture in the Great Plains states following the disastrous "Dust Bowl" years. His methodologies are still used today by American farmers.

    While academic credentials are nice, what matters most are actual expertise and the resultant work product.

    Aloha.

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    Carver was an interesting guy (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by ragebot on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 10:42:50 PM EST
    My favorite story about him is both Thomas Edison and Henry Ford offered to set him up in a lab where he could do anything he wanted; and he declined saying he wanted to stay at Tuskegee.

    Parent
    The end of the war (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by NoSides on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 11:46:46 AM EST
    in Afghanistan?

    That would be incredible.
    After what...18 years of war...

    I am hopeful but skeptical, because there will still be 9000 American troops left there, with the rest not withdrawn until well after the election...

    And the Taliban will have to behave themselves...
    And who is going to be the arbiter about whether they have...?

    I've seen so many supposed deadlines for withdrawal of our forces over the last decade - deadlines that came and went - and then dropped out of the news - that I will have to see it to believe it this time.

    The Times, in its inimical way, questions whether this will be "peace", or "just a way out"?

    I'll settle for just a way out.

    California dems hates Music (2.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 01:40:55 PM EST

    Tahoe music festival torpedoed by anti-worker AB5.  

    Speaking of hating music.. (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by jondee on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 02:44:49 PM EST
    how about that Second Amendment-ammosexual lunatic who strafed the concert crowd in Las Vegas a few years ago?

    Talk about a tyrranical infringment on citizen's rights.

    Parent

    Dude (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 05:17:46 PM EST
    I'm a Democrat.

    Also worked as a rock band roadie (after my military service) from 1968 to 2010. Saw a lot of legendary concerts, smoked a joint with Jerry Garcia, and the one time I met Janis Joplin, she was wearing red panties and matching shoes.

    Played in bar bands for 30 years, for a while with a guy whose songs have been recorded by Dave Mason, Ringo Starr and John Mellencamp. I have friends with Grammys, I have known Huey Lewis since he was hanging drywall and using his real name.

    I hope I am the counterexample to prove that you are wrong about Democrats and music.

    Parent

    Sorry (none / 0) (#102)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 06:30:10 PM EST
    Should have said Dems in the Assembly.

    Parent
    That doesn't make that claim (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 07:50:50 AM EST
     any less ridiculous.

    Parent
    Ok (none / 0) (#123)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:37:38 AM EST
    They just hate the musicians whose livelihoods they trashed.

    Parent
    It's almost like (none / 0) (#130)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:43:40 PM EST
    ... wingnuts are incapable of logic or honesty ... or both.

    Just like their orange buffoon.

    Parent

    Two from P Wire (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 03:57:26 PM EST
    Because Mitch always hasn't our interests at heart

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said that Republican speculation about whether Sen. Bernie Sanders may be the easiest Democrat to beat "may be a bit foolish." Politico reports.

    Said McConnell: "I'm reminded of when the Democrats back in 1980 were all pulling for Ronald Reagan to be the nominee because they thought he'd be the easiest to beat. I think it's going to be a contested general election with a lot of energy on both sides and for myself I'll leave it up to the Democrats to pick who they'd like to be their candidate."

    And because money is the message

    Bonus Quote of the Day

    February 25, 2020 at 1:04 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 85 Comments

    "We're going to spend Trump out of office."

    -- Mike Bloomberg campaign manager Kevin Sheekey, in an interview with Vanity Fair.
    Yeah, (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 05:06:00 PM EST
    no way Trump can compete with Bloomberg's money for sure. It will be interesting to see if any of the oppo dump that Tim O'Brien unloaded on an incredulous bobble head today on CNN makes its way into the debate tonight.

    Parent
    If money were all important (none / 0) (#4)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 05:33:30 PM EST
    We would be just finishing the first year of Hillary's administration. Now Mike wants to spend an order of magnitude more, so we will see.

    Parent
    Putin (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 06:40:48 PM EST
    has more money than Hillary did silly. How much do you think Russian Intelligence spent getting Trump elected?

    Parent
    About (none / 0) (#15)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 08:56:35 PM EST
    $100k

    Hardly anything at all

    Their goal was not to elect either candidate , but to have the losing party and its members discredit  the eventual winner
    Mission accomplished

    Parent

    Yes, (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 10:11:34 PM EST
    their goal was to elect Trump. Trump has been the most favorable President towards Russia we have ever had to the point of siding with Russia over the US. And they are going to attempt to reelect Trump and you are going to help them it seems.

    Parent
    Is their goal was to elect Trump (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 08:18:26 AM EST
    Why did all those Russian government sources contribute to the Steele dossier?  Thats help for Hillary rather than Trump.

    Parent
    For the same reason (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 08:20:34 AM EST
    All those government sources leak damaging stuff about Trump.

    Parent
    I hope it does not (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 05:36:21 PM EST
    IMO we have had more than enough loony already.  There are plenty of real legitimate things to discuss about Sanders without this

    "Saying things like you know, women get cancer from getting too many orgasms or toddlers should run around naked and touch each others genitals."

    He continued: "That's the loony side of Bernie."



    Parent
    TBH (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 06:44:08 PM EST
    everything about Bernie is loony. Forget the oppo dump today on him. He spent all of yesterday defending Castro and then praised communist China. Apparently he only thinks poverty can be solved by communist dictators.

    Parent
    Pretty sure (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 07:09:58 PM EST
    I just saw someone I know in the crowd in Charleston.

    She and her Dr husband are pretty big diners so it makes sense.

    Doners (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 07:10:31 PM EST


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    Donors :-)! (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by vml68 on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 07:42:15 PM EST
    Sorry I could not resist!

    Parent
    new thread up now for (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 07:31:14 PM EST
    the debate

    Parent
    It was her (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 09:46:54 PM EST
    She had her phone turned off and didn't get my texts until after.

    They live in Charleston

    Parent

    An interesting (none / 0) (#18)
    by NoSides on Tue Feb 25, 2020 at 10:35:30 PM EST
    and sometimes exciting, and hopeful, interview with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    I wish she, and people like her, were in positions of real power.

    Some of what she says, I think is brilliant.
    All of it is heartfelt.

    <interview>

    For those (none / 0) (#24)
    by NoSides on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 01:58:33 PM EST
    who are interested, below are links to the court appearance of Julian Assange in London.

    The United States is seeking to extradite him from the UK and try him for espionage.

    The goings on are truly horrific.
    And the left is silent.

    Allied to Assange is the fate of Chelsea Manning. Although pardoned by President Obama, she has been languishing in prison for refusing to cooperate in the prosecution and persecution of Julian Assange.

    One can only imagine the indignity begin suffered by Chelsea Manning being held in the Alexandria Detention Center in Virginia. She is one brave individual. "

    "I have been separated from my loved ones, deprived of sunlight, and could not even attend my mother's funeral," Manning said in a statement Wednesday. "It is easier to endure these hardships now than to cooperate to win back some comfort, and live the rest of my life knowing that I acted out of self-interest and not principle."

    <link to Day 1 of Assange extradition hearing>

    <link to day 2 of Assange extradition hearing>

    So much self-absorbed drama, so little time. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 02:20:11 PM EST
    :-(

    Parent
    Assange (none / 0) (#25)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 02:05:33 PM EST
    is no darling of the "left."


    Parent
    Color Out Of Space (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 02:38:06 PM EST
    This is on PPV.  I missed this in theaters
    So good. It's like early David Cronenberg.  Cheesy without apology.  It's Nick Cage completely untethered.  He milks an alpaca.  And Tommy Chong as an old stoner.

    There are many good reviews like this

    The combination of H.P. Lovecraft, Richard Stanley, and Nicolas Cage is a match made in genre film heaven; all three are all-star Hall of Famers in their own right. Stanley hews pretty closely to the essential elements of Lovecraft's story, while simultaneously modernizing and putting his own distinct twists on it. The film is beautifully shot and spectacularly complemented by the special effects, and when the shit really starts to hit the fan, the sound design combines to create a truly otherworldly and unsettling experience.

    Truly.

    But this link hates it because they seem to take it seriously.  The movie never takes itself seriously.  But they hate on every part of the movie I love.

    No Love, Little Craft In Pulpy Body-Horror Flick 'Color Out Of Space'

    Sample dialog

    "Something's happening to the alpacas."

    Trump sues the New York Times, ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 02:58:10 PM EST
    ... alleging defamation and libel. I'll go make some popcorn.

    It's funny watching republicans (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 03:13:44 PM EST
    Like Kennedy begin to realize having a moron in the White House might not be good even if he is your moron.

    Sometimes it's good to have an actual believable leader.

    Republicans are learning its  all fun and games till somebody loses an eye.

    (Google Kennedy virus homemade security)

    Parent

    Homeland (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 26, 2020 at 03:14:23 PM EST
    Security

    Parent
    Super Tuesday: State by State Leaders (none / 0) (#36)
    by RickyJim on Thu Feb 27, 2020 at 02:45:10 PM EST
    According to the RCP Poll Summary Just considering the latest polls:
    Sanders - California, Texas, Virginia, Colorado, Massachusetts, Maine, Vermont, Utah

    Biden - North Carolina, Oklahoma

    Klobuchar - Minnesota

    Bloomberg - Arkansas

    Of course, whether Sanders will have more than half of the delegates selected by Tuesday is far from clear.

    Here's 538's take: (none / 0) (#42)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 10:17:36 AM EST
    Nate Silver's current predictions for Super Tuesday:

    Sanders:

    Wins: California, Virginia, Massachusetts, Colorado, Utah, Maine, Vermont, American Samoa

    Viability: Sanders reaches viability in every state.
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    Total delegates: 511 (only Super Tuesday delegates)

    Biden:

    Wins: Texas, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas

    Viability: Biden does not reach viability in Vermont.

    Total delegates: 349 (only Super Tuesday delegates)

    Bloomberg:

    Wins: None

    Viability: Bloomberg reaches viability in every state.

    Total delegates: 203

    I put this together yesterday.  So, he may have adjusted it based on polling that's come out since.  But it gives you an idea of how he currently sees Super Tuesday.

    Personally, I have considerable problems with Silver's methodology.  But it's a reasonable place to start.

    Obviously, California is critical to Sanders developing a strong delegate lead. Polls suggest he will win there.  And they've been voting there for almost a month.  But polls have been pretty bad this cycle.  So, we'll see.

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    I think (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM EST
    Nate is really off on a few of those states. We see how SC polling has turned around in the past few days.

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    They've written an article on that ... (none / 0) (#61)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 03:02:24 PM EST
    here.

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    Who knew socialized medicine killed Lady Diana? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Feb 27, 2020 at 02:59:58 PM EST
    I sure didn't.

    Actually, the sheer magnitude of willful ignorance on public display at CPAC is what terrifies me, rather than socialized medicine. Dr. David Schneider is talking out of his a$$. France has one of the finest health care systems in the world. Meanwhile, we're ranked no. 37.

    >:-0

    So the (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 07:31:56 AM EST
    idiots that run the Bernie campaign stupidly ran with that lie that Bloomberg had a heart attack. So now Bloomberg has released his heart ejection fraction and basically dared Bernie to release his heart ejection fraction to the public.

    It does seem like Bloomberg ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 09:21:47 AM EST
    is good at laying traps for Sanders.

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    From the NYTimes (none / 0) (#41)
    by NoSides on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 09:54:46 AM EST
    Not only would Sanders win the popular vote, he would take the electoral college as well.

    <Bernie Sanders can beat Trump. Here's the math.>

    Re: the popular vote:

    "Almost all of the current polling data shows Mr. Sanders winning the national popular vote. In the most recent national polls testing Democratic candidates against Mr. Trump, Mr. Sanders beat him in every single one, with margins varying from 2 percent to 6 percent. This has been the case for nearly a year now, with Mr. Sanders outpolling the president in 67 of 72 head-to-head polls since March."

    Re: the electoral college:

    "As 2016 proved when Hillary Clinton defeated Mr. Trump in the popular vote by nearly three million votes, however, the Electoral College is what matters most. There, Mr. Sanders also does well, outperforming Mr. Trump in polls of the pivotal battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. In the one poll showing significant Trump strength in Wisconsin (Quinnipiac), Mr. Sanders still fares the best of the Democratic contenders."

    If the Democratic Party elite insist on undermining Sanders' candidacy out of fear of reforms labeled by the right as, "socialist", I believe the election of 2020 will be a replay of 2006 - when they fielded a "moderate" who managed to lose against George W. Bush - already known as a liar and a war criminal and whose misdeeds make Trump look benign by comparison.

    This is hilarious (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Yman on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 02:13:13 PM EST
    8 months out, before Bernie has been subjected to several hundred million dollars of "Socialist!" ads that will stick like they've never stuck to a Democrat before, and Steve Philips(?) is convinced he could win - as if those polls mean anything at this point.

    Oy.

    You know what might be convincing?  If there was empirical evidence of this coming "revolution" and the hoards of new, young voters that will be needed to counteract all the independents and moderates you lose as soon as they hear the word "socialist".

    But there's zero evidence of Bernie's promised "revolution."

    Bernie Sanders Says He'll Attract a New Wave of Voters.  But It Hasn't Happened.

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    Agreed: ...if the Democratic (none / 0) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 11:13:21 AM EST
    Party elite insist on undermining Sanders candidacy....for the reason cited (or others)  may create insurmountable electoral problems.  However, adhering to the rules set forth, with participation and the agreement of Senator Sanders, should not be considered as "undermining.", if that is the concern.  And, it is unclear to me who the "elite" refers to, or what capabilities they may have, to insist on undermining Mr. Sanders' candidacy without violating these established and agreed upon rules.

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    To all the idiots (none / 0) (#43)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 11:10:35 AM EST
    still supporting orange jesus because their 401K are doing oh so well. Check your numbers.

    I've lost $15K just this week.

    Yes, (none / 0) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 11:24:17 AM EST
    Tuesday's Democratic debate is having a greater and longer-lasting affect on the stock market

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    Surprised they didn't name it... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:10:07 PM EST
    The Commie Virus.

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    I've been calling it (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Jack E Lope on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 01:11:18 PM EST
    Covfefe-19.

    I'm hoping that will catch on.

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    Pompeo would (none / 0) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:26:49 PM EST
    not say that it was not a hoax.  At least he could have advised Trumpers not to drink Corona beer.  Easy to see why Trump says he loves the poorly educated---Garth Brooks ran afoul of fans who were livid that he wore a Sanders jersey---a Barry Sanders Jersey.  And, then there is Pence who will bring his Indiana experience to the task.

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    Are we going to have to double up on the (none / 0) (#53)
    by vml68 on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 12:30:23 PM EST
    prayers? Pray 'the gay' away and now, pray the 'coronavirus' away?
    What happens if a gay person gets the coronavirus? Do we still pray for them?

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    We are left to the (none / 0) (#58)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 01:55:33 PM EST
    kindness of a stranger virus. But, little help expected from anti-science and keep the government out of my health care crisis Republican fanatics. Pence, the czar, has some odd pubic health ideas, having once declared that smoking does not kill people.  The defunding of Planned Parenthood, affected the only HIV clinic in Scott County, Indiana, and, as governor, he blocked a needle exchange program that could have helped prevent a significant HIV outbreak calling for prayer instead.

    Pence needs to give approval before scientists can inform the public.  Dr. Tony Fauci, long-time NIH infections disease expert, has cancelled his appearances that were scheduled for the Sunday news shows.

    But, Pence is on it.  Just as soon as he and Mother get  back from the big bucks fund-raiser.  CPAC, and snake handler prayer meetings.  But, Pence better do good, that is protect Trump, or our virus czar will wind up in a proverbial Yekaterinburg.  Niki Haley is probably already warming up.

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    The bride (none / 0) (#60)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 03:01:37 PM EST
    of Stephen Miller, Frau Katie Miller, has been put in charge of "messaging" for all coronavirus matters.  All scientific and epidemiological reporting to the public must be cleared by her.

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    What virus? (none / 0) (#57)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 01:34:59 PM EST
    It is all a hoax.   Anything that makes the Cheeto look bad is a hoax.

    Silly you, kdog, you should know this by now.

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    Trump is a lucky guy ... (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 03:13:05 PM EST
    and I think there's a good chance that this ends turning out more like Trump's prediction, than it does like the nervous Nellies on Cable news.

    And it will be one of the rare times where Trump's personal interests and the country's interests coincide.

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    Don't count on it. (none / 0) (#72)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 07:49:29 PM EST
    My sister lives in Nanjing, China. The city has been in lockdown for over a month. Few business are open. People are discouraged from going out. What shops are open, require you to have your temperature taken before being allowed to enter. No one is traveling. And this is in a country that does have a bit of control over it's people.

    Americans won't follow direction. Americans won't stay home from work. Americans could care less about their neighbors and strangers well being. It's all me, me, me. When the coronavirus breaks out widely in this country, it will spread like a prairie fire.

    My sister has advised me and my wife to stock up on groceries and medicines. Which is a current problem. I need refills. My doctor's office has refused to approve them. They want me to come in
    to the office for a visit. I have been lucky this winter and avoided getting sick at all (other than one cold). Considering what's going around, I refuse to voluntary enter a building where I know sick people congregate.


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    Okay, Chicken Little ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 08:03:58 PM EST
    you could be right.

    But I don't share your dim view of humanity.  A crisis tends to bring out the best in people.

    And, whatever you do, don't panic.

    You sound on the verge.

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    One of my best friends is a nurse (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:39:58 AM EST
    It sounds like health care workers are taking it very seriously.  
    It does in fact have a considerably higher death rate than the regular flu.

    He told me about a conversation with other nurses, understand nurses are the one single profession that can find work instantly.  My friend just moved here walked into a facility and was hired as the weekend manager on the spot.

    Anyway, the conversation went like this, they would quit their jobs rather than care for dangerously slick people and just come back when the scare was over and get their jobs back.  Which they totally could.  

    I said that sounds harsh then he made me admit it's what I would do.

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    The death rate looks higher ... (none / 0) (#80)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 10:41:39 AM EST
    right now.  We'll see over time.


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    Infectious diseaes (none / 0) (#84)
    by BGinCA on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 11:55:22 AM EST
    This is so unethical. My spouse is a health care provider. Health care providers are exposed to infectious disease every day, and cannot turn away patients, but are trained in infection control.   Does your friend refuse to treat HIV or Hepatitus patients? These are far more infectious and dangerous than COVID-19.

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    I don't buy it either. (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 02:00:06 PM EST
    Nurses are the best part of the healthcare system.

    Often more knowledgeable about many phases of treatment than doctors.

    And with much better beside manner.

    I'm always shocked by the level of compassion they maintain.

    They're amazing.

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    There is a great demand (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 02:09:39 PM EST
    For nurses in rural America.  They literally can't train them fast enough.  

    Most people I'm talking about are in their early 20s.   Probably their first job.  Maybe the third.

    The demand is higher than the supply..

    I know a couple if nurses.

    That was not about "nurses"

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    You know what (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 11:58:19 AM EST
    I said exactly the same thing.  

    As I explained.  

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    Maybe more explanation (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 12:10:10 PM EST
    That is pretty shocking.

    My friend is an old gay supervisor of nurses.  He chats.  
    In telling me this I think he was as shocked as we are.

    I'm just reporting

    Even people who should know better don't seem to and are buying the panic.

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    I share it (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:27:32 AM EST
    Crisis can bring out the best in my experience it more often brings out the worst.

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    Bringing out the best (none / 0) (#104)
    by MKS on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 06:48:48 PM EST
    Mebbe....Not so sure about that.

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    I also think (none / 0) (#124)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:40:58 AM EST
    China was ill prepared,
    Covered up early signs of the virus

    Where we are prepared, have taken early steps

    Parent

    Did you type (5.00 / 3) (#127)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 11:50:42 AM EST
    that with a straight face?

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    USA is not that country anymore. (none / 0) (#126)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 11:39:50 AM EST
    Keep dreaming of the time before orange jesus.

    Parent
    You mean (none / 0) (#129)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:10:25 PM EST
    When we had 1000 deaths due to the swine flu in 2009 before The Obama declared a national emergency

    Is that when you mean?

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    no. (none / 0) (#132)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 10:00:22 AM EST


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    What's the over/under? (none / 0) (#133)
    by Jack E Lope on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:57:28 PM EST
    What's the over/under on number of deaths before Drumpf declares an emergency due to Covfefe-19?

    He knows how to declare an emergency - that's how he diverts money to build a wind-prone wall.

    I'm not aware of which resources would be diverted to fight Covfefe-19 after declaring an emergency, or where the funds would go - to invent time travel, so we can go back and fund the CDC rather than shrink it?

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    One other bit (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:56:27 AM EST
    About medicine refills.  They are absolutely saying people should do this.  The reason is a lot of the contents of medication and even the medication itself comes from China.  There is real fear there could be interruptions in the chain

    I ask my doctor the said I was probably good.  Partly because of the type I take plus I won't really die without them.  At least not quickly.

    But stocking up on medications is a thing

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    I just stopped by my drug store (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 10:22:30 AM EST
    And asked about this.  She said I was probably fine.  Like I said but people who take things like anti seizure medication are being encouraged to get some backup.

    Which is a problem because insurance won't pay so people have to pay out of pocket.  If they can even get it from the doctor.

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    Thankfully (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 11:18:43 AM EST
    I have accidentally ended up with a stockpile of my only necessary med. The others are just supplements which while nice won't hurt to go a while without.

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    One thing (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 11:37:38 AM EST
    In this conversation this older white lady said "I'm sure the government won't let it get that bad"

    There was a pause and everyone else started laughing.

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    I love (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 02:16:28 PM EST
    how they use "government" as if the government was a person and not an entity.

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    Trump wins (none / 0) (#66)
    by ragebot on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 04:36:43 PM EST
    appeal to block McGhan testimony.

    Why is it that whenever Trump wins, ... (5.00 / 5) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 28, 2020 at 07:15:14 PM EST
    ... American democracy and the rule of law are both correspondingly diminished as a result?

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    That's bad news (none / 0) (#87)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 12:16:22 PM EST
    Right?

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    The appellate court (none / 0) (#90)
    by KeysDan on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 01:37:01 PM EST
    ruling (Committe on the Judiciary v. McGhan) is that it is not for them to decide. So no adjudication---we're out of it.   "the branches are locked in a bitter political showdown,.. we cannot decide this case without declaring the actions of one or the other unconstitutional, and occasions for constitutional confrontation..should be avoided whenever possible."

    It seems that the Court is not "neutral" in this case...its non-decision put it in Trump's corner. The party issuing the subpoena and the party refusing to honor it get the same privilege of having the Court not enforce it.

    McGhan's testimony and information are no longer timely, but the Court decision may have consequences for the future...and for a Democrat or Republican administration.  Although, the judges may have constructed an escape hatch---for the right president---should be avoided WHENEVER POSSIBLE. And, "Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances for the problem of unconstrained executive power presents many complexities."  Yes, complexities may cause a convenient shift.

    However, the Court did carve out some limitations:
    They did not address whether a Chamber of Congress may bring a civil suit against private citizens (DOJ had argued that Courts were precluded from ever enforcing a Congressional subpoena in civil litigation).  This limitation seems inconsistent, or, at least, confusing, since in the case before them, McGhan, a private citizen, would seem to fall into the limitation set forth.

    It OK, too, to adjudicate cases concerning Congressional subpoenas if they implicate the rights of private citizens, citing Mazars, where the Committee subpoena was issued to a "non-governmental custodian" of Trump's financial information.

    But, the finding may have implications for the House Ways and Means Committee suit to obtain Trump's tax returns. Chair Richard Neal, in the suit, asks for Trump's tax filings. Although, this suit is not a confrontation between Congressional and Executive branches, more between the Congress and the Executive, it does give a nice opening, if another Court wants to  go through it.

    One thing is settled, however, the Trump and Republicans argument during impeachment to "wait for the Courts" was not such a good one.

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    On to SCOTUS! (none / 0) (#95)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 02:01:21 PM EST


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    Today, the House (none / 0) (#134)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 09:46:11 AM EST
    filed for an en banc  rehearing of the case.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#75)
    by NoSides on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 06:42:25 AM EST
    is urging Republicans to vote in South Carolina's Democratic primary on Saturday for the "weakest candidate" -- determining that is Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

    Reminds me of some Democrats hoping and pushing for a Trump candidacy because, of all the candidates, they were convinced he could never ever beat Hillary Clinton.

    In short - I think Trump fears Sanders. And he should. So he is characterizing him as the "weakest candidate". In his dreams.

    Trump fears Sanders (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Yman on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 01:53:55 PM EST
    ... and is playing a game of reverse psychology because he fears him.

    Not sure which part of that is funnier.

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    Jeez, (none / 0) (#88)
    by desertswine on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 01:25:16 PM EST
    Trump looked awful at his coronavirus press conference this am.  It even looked like he might have had a bruise on his forehead, or it might have been a really bad make-up job.  Anyway, he looked like he was sick himself.  He actually sounded bad too.
    Get thee behind me ... (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 01:30:45 PM EST
    ...Satan

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    Political Wire (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 01:55:25 PM EST
    U.S. Announces Travel Restrictions

    February 29, 2020 at 2:50 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 1 Comment

    "The Trump administration on Saturday announced additional travel restrictions affecting Iran, Italy and South Korea in response to the coronavirus outbreak, following the first death from the virus in the United States," the Washington Post reports.

    "Vice President Pence said the existing travel ban on Iran would extend to foreign nationals who had been in that country the past 14 days. The State Department also is increasing its warning advising Americans not to travel to parts of Italy and South Korea affected by the virus."

    Reuters reports the administration "is considering imposing entry restrictions at the U.S.-Mexico border to control the spread of the new coronavirus in the United States."
    Biden Bounces! (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 06:17:00 PM EST
    They called it at poll closing so Joe will have a good night.

    The rest of the drama will be 3rd, 4th and 5th

    Not the worst outcome.  Depending, I guess.

    This is supposed (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 06:39:20 PM EST
    to be a big win for Biden and congrats to him. Apparently though Clyburn is going to have a sit down with him and talk about how he needs to completely retool his campaign. I guess the message is I pulled your a** out of the fire and now it's time to shape up.

    Super Tuesday is probably going to have candidates dropping out. I guess Warren first if she can't win her own state.

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    Holey Moley (none / 0) (#105)
    by MKS on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 06:52:27 PM EST
    Biden may get all the delegates from South Carolina.

    Steyer, zip so far--and he was the biggest spender in South Carolina by gazillions.  He will be out of the race pretty fast.

    This will be a Biden v. Bernie race after Super Tuesday.   It will be similar to the Hillary v. Bernie race, but this time I think Bernie has the clear edge.

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:05:23 AM EST
    The question becomes, what is Bernie's lead after Super Tuesday?  Klobuchar, Buttigieg and Warren are probably going to drop out shortly after Tuesday, but who knows about Bloomberg.  I think Bernie ends up with a large enough lead (and enough momentum) to get a plurality of delegates at the convention.  At that point he's probably the nominee, unless the superdelegates are willing to defy his plurality - the very thing Bernie was advocating in 2016, but would cause an actual "revolution" among his supporters at the convention.

    I think this is going to get very ugly.

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    Bernie has (none / 0) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:57:14 PM EST
    a bad heart and he's hiding his medical records. That alone could be reason not to nominate him.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 06:54:41 PM EST
    Mostly

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    The astonishingly vanishing (none / 0) (#108)
    by MKS on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:03:46 PM EST
    Elizabeth Warren.

    What happened to her?   Will be gone pretty quick too.

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    Others as well (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:06:26 PM EST
    Pete probably

    Kornaki just said Biden got (I think) 65% of the AA vote.

    That's pretty huge.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:02:03 PM EST
    I don't agree.   Misread.  I don't think Bernie has a clear edge.   A tiny edge.  Maybe.  

    Biden has some edge to.  70% of the party is scared to death of Bernie.

    He will have Bloombergs money if it comes to that.

    And unlike Hillary he will not have the misogyny to deal with.

    Biden ain't my choice but he can probably beat Trump.  Can't say the same fir Sanders.

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    Yeah, (none / 0) (#111)
    by MKS on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:07:07 PM EST
    I heard on CNN that Bloomberg's 2,500 strong staff is paid through November and could be transferred over to Biden.

    And, I do agree the Hillary Hatred is something that Joe will not face.

    As to Joe's unsteadiness during debates, that is not due to age imo.  I remember him being very nervous during his convention speech in 2008.  

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    Biden probably (none / 0) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:07:26 PM EST
    wouldn't be a drag down ticket like Bernie would be. That's his big advantage other than the fact that like you say 70% of the party wants nothing to do with Sanders.  

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    If Biden gets (none / 0) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:04:56 PM EST
    all the delegates from SC he jumps ahead of Sanders. I don't know who is going to drop out but there are certainly a lot of them that are going to after Super Tuesday. I doubt any are going to drop out tomorrow since Super Tuesday is only 3 days away.

    I don't agree Bernie has the advantage. It appears the oppo dump Bloomberg did has done large damage on Bernie. Better now than later.  

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    Endorsing Castro did (none / 0) (#113)
    by MKS on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:09:22 PM EST
    not help.

    If you want to read something funny, if you haven't already, take a look at Armando's take on Bernie and Castro.  Armando is seemingly speechless and can't believe it.

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    Oh, (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:17:12 PM EST
    I have been watching it on twitter. He was completely livid. The worst part was not Bernie endorsing Castro but Bernie's supporters making excuses for Bernie endorsing Castro. Those Florida Dems all had to come out and condemn Bernie. Now Bernie is probably not even going to be viable in Florida.

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    Never Trumper Al Cardenas (none / 0) (#115)
    by MKS on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:19:31 PM EST
    was apoplectic.  Hates Trump, but love for Castro just unbelievable.

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    Biden could play in Florida (none / 0) (#116)
    by MKS on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:20:14 PM EST
    or make the GOP really work for it.

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    I've always (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:27:18 PM EST
    said the best argument for Biden is that old people like him and there are plenty of old people in Florida.

    For a primary that started out so exciting it sure has gone downhill pretty quick. Lots better candidates than Biden are no longer in or are going to be out soon. I really wish nobody over 70 had run. With Biden we're going to have to do this again in 4 years.

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    A question (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by KeysDan on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:23:32 PM EST
    for Sanders and for Biden. Who will be your vice presidential running mate?   Or, at least a short list.  

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    Well (none / 0) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:38:06 PM EST
    you know who Sanders would pick Tulsi or Nina Turner. Biden the rumor is Kamala Harris but maybe she does not want it.

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    With the Good Chance (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by RickyJim on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:41:55 AM EST
    that 4 years later she would be either President or the presidential nominee, why wouldn't she want it?

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    Wonder what Jeralyn (none / 0) (#120)
    by ragebot on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 10:35:46 PM EST
    would think about a Biden/Harris ticket given their tough on crime positions.  Jeralyn is not alone in wanting criminal reform.

    Both Biden and Harris have a touch and go relationship with their history.  Both have been caught in obvious embellishments (actually out right lies) of past events in their history.

    Biggest problem I see is that ticket lacks balance, Trump is a showman while Pence is almost a wall flower; Obama had charisma while Biden not so much so, Clinton was a press the flesh retail pol while Gore was a  wooden stick.

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    OUTSIDER (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:06:42 PM EST
    Tonight is the penultimate episode.

    This has been one of the best things on the toob in a while.

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