Live Thread: Book him Dano!

By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 06:26:59 PM EST
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Update 5:57 pm: Donald has left the room. The motorcade is leaving the scene. Watching the over-the-top security of 18 motorcycles and a motorcade of black vans for Donald, his staff, and what CNN calls "prep vans", it all seems so unnecessary. Why doesn't one van with Donald and two secret service agents suffice? Why does his staff get their own motorcade? Have they never heard of Uber? This is almost as ridiculous (but not quite as bad) as Biden's entourage into Aspen a few years ago.

Update: Donald's mugshot was taken. According to CNN, his daughter-in-law Lara Trump said they are prepared to use it for merchandise to raise funds. His weight is listed at 215 pounds (In his dreams).

Original Post: It's finally happening. An event we've all been waiting 8 years for, since the man with no respect or regard for others and no government experience managed to take over the oval office.

He's about to arrive at the Fulton County Jail to be booked in. Mug shot or not, he's being booked with tens if not hundreds of viewers around the world watching his motorcade. [More...]

This may be the most exciting heart-rate rising event since the OJ car chase. [Added: it was not. it was beyond boring.]

Memo to Donald Trump: Please remember that the only thing you have after a crisis is your behavior during it.

This is a thread for all thoughts about Donald Trump, everyone involved in all four cases against him, and the criminal justice system where he hopefully will begin to appreciate how dark it is when the Department of Justice decides to use its awesome power against you.

Once again, I'd like to hear from any lawyer who has won four criminal trials in four jurisdictions brought in the same year against the same individual defendant (Corporate defendants excluded). Kudos to you if you have.

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Another count should be added to the indictment (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by Peter G on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:06:04 PM EST

for making a willfully false statement in an official proceeding (his assertion about his weight). Do you suppose he also lied about his height?

Do they (none / 0) (#3)
by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:07:33 PM EST

usually weigh you at bookings?

But yeah most people were guessing about 50 lbs. more. Maybe part of his agreement was not to step on the scale.


No idea what Fulton County sheriff's (none / 0) (#4)
by Peter G on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:13:07 PM EST

standard procedures are. But part of booking is to get a positive ID on the charged person, which explains all of the photo, the fingerprints, and the basics of physical description, like height, weight, tattoos and prominent scars, as well as eye and hair color.


Question (none / 0) (#24)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 04:25:04 PM EST

Another of the 19 has requested a "speedy trial". Sydney.

My question is does everyone who ask get a separate speedy trial or can she put them all in one speedy trial.


What (none / 0) (#25)
by FlJoe on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 04:35:57 PM EST

if the next schmuck wants a speedy trial but not that speedy?


Exactly (none / 0) (#27)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 04:40:35 PM EST

I saw chatter about doing this to overwhelm her. So I was curious if the all get separate trials since "some think" that's the point.

Logically there would be the early trial and the one with Trump


They (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by FlJoe on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 04:54:18 PM EST

will fk with the system as much as they can, however it might backfire on them. It's likely to turn into a game of chicken, who really wants to go first?

Meanwhile there is always someone who wants to make the first and possibly best deal.

Lots of prisoner dilemmas going on.


Read one consideration (none / 0) (#29)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 04:58:57 PM EST

might be cost. This is an expensive production.


On (none / 0) (#31)
by FlJoe on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 05:04:14 PM EST

both sides, is it possible that the GA legislature could cut off the money?


: I don't think (none / 0) (#33)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 08:02:39 PM EST

so as they would have to cut funding for the entire GA court system and can't pick Fulton just to "defund".
I guess they could totally close down the entire GA court system by defunding it but wouldn't they really look stupid with all their hollering about "crime".

Peter may (none / 0) (#32)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 07:57:13 PM EST

disagree with this but Kreis, the local RICO expert and GSU law professor says this:

Chesebro asking for a speedy trial was smart as it would force the DA to focus strictly on his crimes and not bring in all the others. And he could throw all the others under the bus trying to save himself. Might not work but it is a better strategy it seems to me than any of the others have.

Sydney asking for a speedy trial totally F'ed over Chesebro's strategy and now more evidence will be in the trial because it's likely the 2 are tried together. A fake elector asking for a speedy trial and "Fani is Golden".

So apparently with RICO cases the more people you can put in one trial the better.

It is only going to get better as each of them starts trying to save themselves and F over the others. Just like Shafer claiming "Trump made him do it".


Asking for a speedy trial does not necessarily (none / 0) (#34)
by Peter G on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 10:31:54 PM EST

guarantee you will get one, if your case is properly joined with others' in a single indictment. At least not in the court systems I am familiar with; maybe there is some procedural rule in Georgia that is different. In other words, at least in my experience, a defendant cannot force a severance from a properly filed multi-defendant indictment by stating a preference for a speedy trial, when co-defendants are pursuing a different strategy. A joint trial of alleged co-conspirators is normal, and gives the prosecutor many advantages. The rules of procedure in every jurisdiction I am familiar with work to protect those prosecutorial advantages by favoring joinder and making severance the exception.


The judge (none / 0) (#37)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 07:24:45 AM EST

has already set Chesebro's trial for October 23. As I understand it, it is up to the judge as to whether he includes Powell in that trial or not.

Obviously Trump doesn't want a speedy trial but I'm not sure how all that works here in GA with codefendants.


The judge (none / 0) (#38)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 07:24:45 AM EST

GA has a speedy trial law (none / 0) (#39)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 08:24:43 AM EST

Defendants have a constitutional right and a state right to demand a speedy trial. The Sixth Amendment gives defendants this protection as well as George law under O.C.G.A. § 17-7-170. This means that there are two types of speedy trials: statutory and constitutional. A speedy trial indicates that the defendant is tried for the alleged crimes within a reasonable amount of time after being arrested. If the defendant is not tried when the demand for speedy trial is made or at the next regular court term, then the defendant shall be acquitted of the charges.

I just wanted to know if all defendants requesting one could be tried together. Or if they get separate trials.


According (none / 0) (#40)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 09:23:50 AM EST

to Kreis it is up to the judge but it seems likely that they get tried together because of the time limit and judicial calendar.


According (none / 0) (#41)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 09:23:50 AM EST

I would like to see an explanatory comment (none / 0) (#43)
by Peter G on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 10:29:57 AM EST

on the interpretation of this rule by an experienced Georgia criminal lawyer or law professor. It is totally alien to my experience and instinct that each defendant in a multi-defendant conspiracy case has to power to override all other interests and considerations by simply demanding a speedy trial for him/herself, basically at a time of their own choosing.


I glad (none / 0) (#44)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 10:39:20 AM EST

That's what I thought but apparently that's exactly the case


That link was (none / 0) (#45)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM EST

Georgia criminal lawyer dot com


Some (none / 0) (#46)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:00:01 PM EST

interesting points from your link.

Georgia courts have learned from mistakes in the past on speedy trial demands and now act on them very quickly. It is likely that you be moved to the front of any trial calendar. If you plan on filing the demand counting on Georgia courts to make a mistake and discharge your case, there is a strong chance you will not be successful.

Furthermore, the defense attorney and client must appear at all court dates without conflict and always announce ready, or it is waived. This means that the cost to the client can be extremely high to pursue because the attorney must charge not only for their time but also for all time they could be elsewhere

There are restrictions when filing a demand for a speedy trial. A person may unintentionally waive the right to demand a speedy trial if they are not careful. If a defendant submits a motion for a continuance, fails to show up for a calendar call, or challenges the jury pool, then they waive their right to a speedy trial

Fani and her team most certainly anticipated this possibility.

It's going to be an extremely expensive, especially with multiple defendants going this route.

The defendants and their appear to be on a tight clock with no timeouts, I can't imagine a defense lawyer advising anyone to take this to court with mere weeks of prep time, Fani has been working on this for years.


The theory is (none / 0) (#47)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:09:30 PM EST

that Chesebro can stand alone and blame everybody else who is not at the trial with him. Apparently this is better than sitting there with all the other defendants with the entire conspiracy being spelled out in court.

The judge has already set a date for Chesebro's trail October 23rd. However it's entirely possible that he doesn't go through with it and asks for a continuance. He is being arraigned Sept 6th.

Everybody complains about it taking so long but Fani had to dot all the I's and cross all the T's.


I (none / 0) (#54)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:49:00 PM EST

would be willing to wager that if one of these clowns force the issue she would be willing to drop the RICO and just try and nail him on some or all of the other charges.

She would still hold some cards while still having enough to nail him.

Who would be willing to go first and take the chance?


I think that WAS the plan (none / 0) (#55)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:54:58 PM EST

Until Sydney jumped in the pool with him. The single worst possible other person to be put by on trial with.


: unless (none / 0) (#56)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 02:21:56 PM EST

they both try the insanity defense.

: I guess (none / 0) (#57)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 04:59:08 PM EST

you could argue it's better than being on trial with all 19 but it definitely makes it worse for Chesebro but maybe better for Powell.
I have to wonder what on earth they were thinking when they decided to commit crimes for Trump. Attorneys had to know they were breaking the law. I can't see a jury getting past that basic fact.

On the other hand (none / 0) (#49)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:31:31 PM EST

If they have a year to prepare they still wont have a defense.

We know they have no defense.


They are saying the hope of the speedy trial guys (none / 0) (#52)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:41:59 PM EST

Is to get it over with as quickly as possible.
Maybe avoid being the fall guy.

But its a big problem for Trump. He can delay his own trial as long as he wants but all or most of the evidence is going to be out and on tv before election day.

Since they are all being put on trial fir basically the same stuff.


: And ON TV (none / 0) (#53)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:47:04 PM EST

just wanted to repeat that. This is all going to be televised most likely. And that's a very good thing.

I have no idea how reliable that (none / 0) (#50)
by Peter G on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:32:33 PM EST

site is likely to be. One lawyer of unknown credentials and reliability, who managed to buy an impressive-sounding domain name, marketing to prospective clients, it would seem. Nor does anything that has been quoted so far address the question I raised. My question was whether any one (or more) defendant's statutory right to a speedy trial can be invoked to override and destroy the prosecutor's authority to pursue a joint trial on conspiracy charges against properly joined alleged co-conspirators. I just find that hard to believe; in effect, the prosecutors would then be put in the position of having to try to same case, with the same witnesses, repeatedly before different juries. It makes no sense to me.


Do you have a tv? (none / 0) (#51)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:35:01 PM EST

This has been a frequent topic.


So, I checked with a very reliable source (none / 0) (#58)
by Peter G on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 07:06:05 PM EST

on Georgia criminal procedure (whom I cannot name, for reasons you will have to speculate on), and learned that the Georgia "Demand for Trial" law actually does guarantee a trial in the next "term of court" (3-4 months) for each defendant who properly invokes it, even if they are part of a multi-defendant case. Any one defendant's "demand" exposes all the co-defendants to that super-speedy trial, in the judge's discretion. If they want out, they have to file a motion to sever, which the prosecutor can oppose. My source says that judges do more often than not grant the non-demanding defendants' severance motions, if reasonable, forcing the prosecutor to conduct multiple trials. My source also says that the Fulton County judge might very well sever the 19 defendants into sub-groups anyway, just because such trials are very unwieldy. As they have learned from some recent gang trials that Willis's office has brought under similarly sprawling indictments. And that none of this applies if the case is removed to federal court and stays there. In that event, the federal procedural rules apply, apparently including the federal speedy trial law, which as I said earlier favors prosecutors' convenience more than defendants' rights.


Wonderful (none / 0) (#59)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 07:13:08 PM EST

That actually make sense. Of a kind.


Did any of the TV talking head "experts" (none / 0) (#61)
by Peter G on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 07:19:43 PM EST

have the Georgia procedure right? And were they able to explain it clearly, as I hope I did?


I have found (5.00 / 1) (#69)
by KeysDan on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 10:35:24 AM EST

MSNBC guest (Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell). Gwen Keyes Fleming, to be very helpful to navigation of applicable Georgia laws. Ms. Fleming is a former District Attorney of DeKalb County, a neighboring county to Fulton, and, apparently, an acquaintance of DA Willis. She is now with DLA Piper, Washington, DC.

Ms.Fleming has explained the Georgia speedy trial procedure as you have.


Hmm (none / 0) (#62)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 08:06:38 PM EST

I don't think they tried. They got the high points. I guess,


What I was wondering (none / 0) (#63)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 08:14:30 PM EST

Was will there be multiple "speedy trials". But since you asked, you said

Any one defendant's "demand" exposes all the co-defendants to that super-speedy trial, in the judge's discretion. If they want out, they have to file a motion to sever,

Are you saying that a request from one defendant in this case will result in a speedy trial for all UNLESS they separate themselves?


That's what I was told (none / 0) (#64)
by Peter G on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 08:38:21 PM EST

by my Georgia criminal law and procedure expert friend. A properly filed demand requires that the case be calendared within the next "term of court." Other defendants can then be severed out, in groups or as individuals, if they ask (or if the judge just decides to do it, I suppose). All after due consideration of the DA's position also, of course.


: Very interesting (none / 0) (#68)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM EST

Thanks

Stuff is going to start happening (none / 0) (#60)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 07:15:18 PM EST

Tomorrow we find out the start date for Trump and I think some stuff about Meadows.


I really think (5.00 / 1) (#65)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 06:29:18 AM EST

the DC case is going on in January 2024 especially after the death threats. We had a bomb threat at the Fulton County Courthouse last week. Can you imagine the bomb threats during Trump's trial?

I like what Chutkan said when Trump's attorneys can't possibly do a January trial because Trump is campaigning. She said your number 1 job right now is criminal defendant and prepapring yourself for trial.


I really think (none / 0) (#66)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 06:29:18 AM EST

Most seem to think the judge will (none / 0) (#67)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 08:25:26 AM EST

Give them a month or two. Starting around March. That's still plenty of time.


As long (none / 0) (#70)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 04:37:57 PM EST

as it is before the election that's all that really matters.

I can just see the GOP primary voters voting for Trump while he is in a criminal trail---yes, I can. They are convinced that this is political persecution.


As long (none / 0) (#71)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 04:37:57 PM EST

: March 4th (none / 0) (#73)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 10:31:50 AM EST

I heard it's less (none / 0) (#5)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:17:33 PM EST

than the Ronnie Jackson report. Back in the day.


15 lbs LESS (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by leap2 on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:33:08 PM EST

than Giuliani. 215 lbs?? No way. Why would Fulton County personnel believe anything that guy says?


: He's closer to 215 kg than lbs. (none / 0) (#15)
by vml68 on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 10:09:22 AM EST

n/t

I was at a reception many years ago ... (none / 0) (#11)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 09:11:34 PM EST

... in Honolulu where Donald Trump was in attendance (with then-wife no. 2, Marla Maples), and I got a chance to (very briefly) meet him and shake his hand. Now, I'm 6'1", and he was definitely a few inches taller than me. He's a big guy. (His youngest child, Barron, is 17 years old and already 6'7" - at least.)

With regard to Trump's weight, it's important to note that human muscle is much denser than human fat. For perspective, a cubic foot of muscle will weigh about 15-20% more than the same volume of fat. So, a young 6'3" NFL player in his prime will look lean and mean at 215 lb., while the much older Trump looks a lot bigger due to his high bodyfat percentage and fat volume. But both men could well be the same weight.

Aloha.


Photo of Obama and Tr*mp standing next to (none / 0) (#17)
by vml68 on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 10:31:42 AM EST

each other.

They look to be about the same height or Obama is a wee bit taller. Obama is listed at either 6'1 or 6'2. I think Tr*mp's 6'3 fantasy is because he wants to be seen as taller than Obama.


I find more credible that he lies about his height (none / 0) (#18)
by Peter G on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 11:05:56 AM EST

in order to produce a lower BMI, relative to weight.


: Then you have a higher opinion of Tr*mp (none / 0) (#19)
by vml68 on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 11:55:38 AM EST

and his followers, than I do. I can't envision them calculating BMI and taking the time to find out where the numbers fall on the scale. Understanding basic height and weight numbers, yes.
To me, Tr*mp is vain and insecure, which is why he is always putting down other peoples appearances. He is envious.
His latest comments about Biden, "it looks like he's walking on toothpicks" and "I think he looks horrible at the beach" are prime example. The putrid pumpkin can barely walk down a ramp and is jealous that Biden is physically fit for his age and can still ride a bike.

In that picture, everybody looks.. (none / 0) (#20)
by desertswine on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 02:25:30 PM EST

like they're 6'3".


Hope all our Florida friends (5.00 / 3) (#82)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 12:38:49 PM EST

are safe and dry. And stay that way.

Fani just said in a filing (5.00 / 1) (#83)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 03:03:04 PM EST

she wants all 19 to start Oct 23rd.

I read what the D.A. filed. She did not say (5.00 / 1) (#93)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 07:40:17 PM EST

she wanted to try all 19 together. She said the Georgia law requires that the 19 be tried together at the speedy trial date if one defendant files a demand for speedy trial, unless one or more co-defendants requests that their case be severed. Which is what I posted on Saturday is what the law in Georgia requires. She pointed out, in a very gentle way, that what the judge did the other day was contrary to the terms of the speedy trial law. Quite appropriately, she did not express any opinion (yet) on whether she would support or oppose any form of severance.


Yes, (none / 0) (#84)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 03:17:45 PM EST

she said that the judge has to give a reason for severing the defendants. And I guess so far he has not given a reason.

Honestly though I can't imagine all 19 are tried together just because of the sheer number of defendants.


Yes, (none / 0) (#85)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 03:17:45 PM EST

This is not her first RICO (5.00 / 1) (#87)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 03:40:16 PM EST

so I would guess she knows what she is doing.

About the double posts, seems to work sometimes.


Here's (none / 0) (#88)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 04:46:26 PM EST

The court filings

I'm sure (none / 0) (#89)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 05:43:16 PM EST

she does but listening to Glenn Kirschner he said that he could only try like 6 at a time for a 30 defendant RICO case. His case was due to security dictated by US Marshals. I'm not sure who would make that kind of decision here in GA.

However if Meadows doesn't get moved to federal court it seems likely that some are going to start trying to cut a deal. That deal according to people familiar with Fani and how she works say a deal will still include jail time.


If it works the way it's supposed to work (none / 0) (#90)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 05:52:47 PM EST

and I understand how it's supposed to work, he won't get moved. Which is obviously my opinion.

OT
Idalia is looking bad. For example A bunch of people are staying in a town called Cedar Key. The elevation is 4'. I googled it. The surge could be 15'

It's looking like a memorable storm.


I feel (none / 0) (#91)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 06:22:41 PM EST

really sorry for so many people in Florida. It has truly turned into the armpit of America.


: A friend and I were (none / 0) (#92)
by jondee on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 06:50:21 PM EST

joking around about DeSantis' next move in politics being to reappear as Bad DeSantis, like 'Bad Cooper' in Twin Peaks, with a couple of face and neck tattoos, a mullet, a rollin'-smoke truck. Have Bath Salts will travel.
People in Florida might go for it.

And I switched (none / 0) (#86)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 29, 2023 at 03:22:33 PM EST

browsers to try to get rid of the double posts. Didn't work. So annoying.


: Same Thing Happened To Me (5.00 / 1) (#94)
by john horse on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 09:16:46 AM EST

As Cptn Howdy told me
It just does that sometimes all by itself
As a technologically challenged individual, I've learned to live with it.

The motorcade (none / 0) (#1)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 06:55:36 PM EST

looks like they are escorting Optimus Prime. Or Hannibal Lechter.

The mugshot is out (none / 0) (#7)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:54:59 PM EST

and it's one for the sges

Very disappointed (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 10:30:59 AM EST

that it didn't have the classic mug shot height scale on the wall behind him.

Someone will probably photoshop that in.


That's the monster face that his children... (none / 0) (#8)
by desertswine on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 08:07:01 PM EST

probably had to look at. That's why they are like they are. I had to laugh out loud.


It's cartoonish (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 08:14:53 PM EST

He so clearly rehearsed in front of a mirror.


The mugshot (none / 0) (#10)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 08:16:14 PM EST

That launched a million memes

It also looks like Banksy material


Straight (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by FlJoe on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 04:38:21 PM EST

out of "A Clockwork Orange" if you ask me.


: A seventy-year-old (5.00 / 1) (#77)
by jondee on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 02:35:23 PM EST

Chuckie doll.

His dil Lana Trump says (none / 0) (#12)
by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 12:14:34 AM EST

they are going to use it on merchandise to fundraise. I'm never linking to it again. I can find much worse and less-contrived photos of him. Thanks for sharing it though for those who haven't seen his posturing.


: To make the point that irony is dead (none / 0) (#13)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 08:39:43 AM EST

He posted it on his twitter knockoff with the caption
NEVER SURRENDER

Looks like (none / 0) (#14)
by KeysDan on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 09:09:23 AM EST

He got a new hairpiece for the occasion. This, unfortunately, will become the infamous photo of American history.


He made me do it (none / 0) (#21)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 02:28:46 PM EST

Seriously, are all these people 10 years old?

"Three Georgia Republicans who falsely claimed to be electors for Donald Trump -- and are now charged alongside him in a sprawling racketeering indictment brought by local prosecutors -- say they took the steps they did because Trump, then the sitting president, told them to," Politico reports.
"In a series of court filings this week, those false electors, who became part of Trump's last-ditch bid to subvert the 2020 election, said it was Trump and his campaign lawyers who urged them to sign the false documents, claiming they were necessary to preserve Trump's flailing court efforts to reverse his defeat to Joe Biden."

When (none / 0) (#22)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 02:51:23 PM EST

you're in a cult and the cult leader tell you to do something you do it.

However I don't think that works as a defense in court like if someone told you to rob a bank you're not gonna get off.

It's really kind of funny that they all are trying to roll each other under the bus now or blaming someone else for what they did. The Lt. Gov. said his constituents made him be a false elector.

There may be some truth though in the fact that they were convinced by attorneys to sign because none of these people are very bright.


When (none / 0) (#23)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 02:51:23 PM EST

How Bright Do You Have To Be (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by john horse on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 05:11:21 AM EST

There may be some truth though in the fact that they were convinced by attorneys to sign because none of these people are very bright.

How bright do you have to be to know that you shouldn't falsify documents? The intelligence, or lack thereof, doesn't explain the secretive and covert manner in which they operated. They may not have known the difference between right and wrong but they surely knew the difference between legal and illegal.


In the end (none / 0) (#36)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 07:20:12 AM EST

I don't think stupidity will work in a trial. Isn't there a saying something like ignorance of the law is not a defense?


If They Had Any Sense (none / 0) (#42)
by john horse on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 09:32:19 AM EST

they would be cooperating with the prosecution.

On the other hand, they could be dumb as dirt.


: Just a guess (none / 0) (#48)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 01:15:25 PM EST

but all the low level conspirators are filing to have their case moved to federal court. When that fails I bet they will decide to cooperate with the prosecution.

Biphoton Digital Holography is really cool (none / 0) (#30)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 05:00:55 PM EST

Quantum 'yin-yang' shows two photons being entangled in real-time

Match 4 2024 (none / 0) (#72)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 10:30:59 AM EST

Thats Trumps DC trial date.

AP (none / 0) (#74)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 10:40:12 AM EST

March 4 trial date set for Trump in federal case charging him with plotting to overturn election

Since I think (none / 0) (#78)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 04:25:56 PM EST

it's been reported the case will take 6-8 weeks we should have a verdict by first part of May.

Pretty much the end of the primary. LOL.


Yep (none / 0) (#79)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 04:32:44 PM EST

It makes it totally possible they will have a convicted felon for a candidate.

But still unlikely I think. Meaning I don't think Trump will be the nominee.


It would (none / 0) (#80)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 06:18:43 PM EST

seem the fight that should have happened in 2016 is gonna happen this year. I can totally see the voters voting for Trump but the delegates denying him the nomination if he's sentenced. I can't see him being out and campaigning if he is judged guilty. Chutkan doesn't seem like that kind of judge. Cannon totally would let him run around the country though. So it's probably good this case is going first.


: IMO (none / 0) (#81)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 07:22:44 PM EST

If he is alive he will be on the ballot. He would totally run as a write in if he had to.
But I think you're right. Fingers crossed. What should have happened in 2016 might be about to happen.
The party might be forced to pick a side.
Trump or the rule of law.
I think they will, kicking and screaming, choose the rule of law.
And who ever the nom is will be sabotaged and undermined by Trump and will lose. This 2024 is going to be a bad year for republicans.
They are truly F'ed if they do and F'ed if they don't
🙂

Republican Primary (none / 0) (#75)
by KeysDan on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 11:45:33 AM EST

Super Tuesday--- March 5, 2024.


: I believe the judge addressed that (5.00 / 1) (#76)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 28, 2023 at 11:48:46 AM EST

Saying something like 'we all got shi+ to do, you ain't special'

Love to know what this is about (none / 0) (#95)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 09:35:06 AM EST

Undisclosed 'emergency' delays Proud Boys sentencing

One (none / 0) (#96)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 11:49:09 AM EST

was delayed until Friday and Tarrio next week. So it's not a big delay.


: Proud Boys leaders got heftly sentences (none / 0) (#107)
by Peter G on Fri Sep 01, 2023 at 10:42:09 AM EST

17 yrs for Biggs. 15 yrs for Rehl (leader of the Phila PBs for the last several years; a notorious thug in these parts). The 30-years-and-up Sentencing Guidelines calculations, endorsed by the government, were absurdly high. The sentences are harsh but not unreasonable (or unlawful). They will stand up on appeal, if challenged.

: Pezzola, the Proud Boy who was the first (none / 0) (#109)
by Peter G on Fri Sep 01, 2023 at 04:01:56 PM EST

to break a Capitol window and then led the mob into the building, got ten years today. He was acquitted at trial of seditious conspiracy. Seeking leniency, he told the judge he had "given up politics." On his way out of the courtroom he raised his fist and shouted, "Tr*mp won, and you know it."

One of the lawyers sick, perhaps? (none / 0) (#98)
by Peter G on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 02:52:14 PM EST

or a family emergency for a key participant?


our gerontocracy (none / 0) (#97)
by leap2 on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 01:25:12 PM EST

at work.

Why would someone stay at a job while clearly not well?

Mitch looks awful... (none / 0) (#99)
by desertswine on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 03:07:59 PM EST

not that he ever looked good.


We all hate him (none / 0) (#100)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 03:22:41 PM EST

but we might need him in the coming shutdown show.


: Never fear (none / 0) (#102)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 03:27:51 PM EST

McConnell will cling to power until his last breath. The only way he will be leaving the senate is on a stretcher dead.

: Never fear (none / 0) (#103)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 03:27:51 PM EST

McConnell will cling to power until his last breath. The only way he will be leaving the senate is on a stretcher dead.

How a president acts (none / 0) (#101)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 03:26:39 PM EST

Biden to Check In with McConnell Later Today
August 30, 2023 at 4:07 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 0 Comments
President Biden commented on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell appearing to freeze again at an event in his home state of Kentucky on Wednesday, CBS News reports.
Said Biden: "He is a good friend, so I'm going to try to get in touch with him later this afternoon."

Yes, and we can expect, (none / 0) (#104)
by KeysDan on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 03:47:55 PM EST

once again, an inelegant comment like the response to Biden's call of good wishes after the Turtle's July TIA/mini-stroke, or whatever: " I told him (Biden) I got sandbagged", referring to Biden's tripping over an ill-placed sandbag on the stage during the US Air Force Academy commencement.


I'm sure we can (5.00 / 1) (#105)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 03:54:29 PM EST

I'm still glad we have a president who acts like a president.


: Me too. (none / 0) (#106)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 30, 2023 at 04:25:22 PM EST

One of the worst lies Trump told was that if he lost we would never hear from him again.

Chesebro (none / 0) (#108)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 01, 2023 at 02:45:20 PM EST

seems to be fighting with all his might NOT to be tried with Sydney Powell here

I am LMBO but I wouldn't want to be tried with Kraken lady either who claims she was never Trump's attorney.

This RICO case has taken a comical turn but it also has set off a holy war in the GA GOP.