$200k Bail for Donald Trump in GA, Will Surrender Thursday

By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 03:41:08 AM EST
Tags: Donald Trump, Atlanta (all tags)

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Donald Trump's Atlanta's lawyers were at the courthouse in Atlanta Monday hammering out a bond agreement with prosecutors in his election interference case. This is the case where he and 18 others, including Rudy Giuliani (I smile every time I type the words "defendant Rudy Giuliani") are charged with violations of Georgia's version of the federal organized crime statute known as "RICO".

Here's the final bond order , signed by the Judge.

The $200,000. is no big deal since Trump can elect to pay just 10% of it. And the Secret Service may well prevail over jailers at the Fulton County Jail as to whether Trump has to be mug-shotted and booked just like ordinary defendants. rules for ordinary defendants and refuse to allow him from being booked at the infamous, filthy, violent Fulton County jail, which just last month was notified by the DOJ's that the agency's civil rights division has placed the jail under investigation over its filthy conditions and abhorrent treatment of inmates, including the mentally ill.

The "non-financial conditions" of the bond order are what puts the zing to the court's order. The full 3 page order is here. [More...]

Trump is not allowed to threaten or intimidate any co-defendant, any of the 30 unindicted co-conspirators or witnesses in the case. On social media or by reposting other's tweets on social media. He can't obstruct justice. He also can't make any “direct or indirect threat of any nature against the community or to any property in the community.” (That last one about the community is a little vague. For example, does the community include the prosecutor who has Trump frothing at the bit, calling her crooked, since it's her job to to represent the people of Atlanta?) Does it include his making fact-free claims about Atlanta's murder rate sky-rocketing when in fact its' gone down?

The prohibition includes both posting on social media and reposts of others' posts. He also can't communicate with co-defendants about the case, except through their respective lawyers.

Trump announced on his truth and social site he will turn himself in at the Fulton County Jail in Atlanta on Thursday.

In other current Trump mishaps, Don, Jr. announced today on a right-wing newsite that he and fiancée Kimberly Guilfoyle will attend the Wisconsin Republican debate as Trump's media surrogates. (Trump, as everyone knows, is not participating in the debate).

The " mishap" is that according to the New York Post, Fox News announced few hours later no surrogates would be allowed at the Wisconsin debate. So Don and Kimberly are now making a last ditch effort to be allowed in the pundit's post-debate spin room.

Members of Trump’s campaign team and the former president’s surrogates will still travel to Milwaukee amid the banishment and are working on a resolution with Fox News and the Republican National Committee in order to be allowed in the post-debate “spin room,” according to the report.

I'd say the least of Donald Trump's problems is whether he or a surrogate attend a Republican debate. Complying with his bond conditions is going to be his greatest challenge yet. After that? Unless he gets the Georgia and New York indictments moved to federal court and wins the 2024 election, after which his new Attorney General will dismiss all charges in all four federal jurisidictions, I think he's doomed.

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As I'm sure I have said before (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 01:25:42 PM EST

Any defendant with a private plane (or boat capable of getting from Florida to an independent Caribbean island) would have his passport seized as a condition of bail, as well as a requirement to advise a pretrial release officer (like a probation officer for people on bail) and get permission (48 hrs in advance or something like that) for all domestic travel, even assuming travel was not restricted to Georgia and Florida (and perhaps NJ-NY). And if that defendant started musing on social media about how others imagine he will flee to "Russia, Russia, Russia" he would have to appear in person to persuade the judge that those were not his own thoughts.

: I wish he would flee to Russia (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 01:38:31 PM EST

It would amount to admitting everything.
Who knows Putin might even send him back. That would be the best part.

This is wonderfully humiliating (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 01:46:39 PM EST

Donald Trump arraignment oddsmakers offer bets on how much he will weigh at Georgia booking
Oddsmakers are offering prop bets tied to Trump's indictment in Georgia
One bookmaker has set the over/under on Trump's weight at 273.5 pounds
It comes after he accused Fox News of frequently using an unflattering photo

my bet is on (none / 0) (#6)
by leap2 on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:27:12 PM EST

11,780.


Do you think (none / 0) (#11)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:44:20 PM EST

He even knows what he weighs. I can see him having Walt "fix" the scales.


Well, if Giuliani (none / 0) (#26)
by leap2 on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 07:29:11 PM EST

weighed in today at 230 lbs/5'11", what will be the actual number for Tubby?? Gotta be over 300.


: Tubby (none / 0) (#29)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 08:34:45 PM EST

IIRC also lied about his height. So not only will everybody find out his weight they'll also find out his real height.

: Tubby (none / 0) (#30)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 08:34:45 PM EST

IIRC also lied about his height. So not only will everybody find out his weight they'll also find out his real height.

Randy Rainbow sings (5.00 / 4) (#4)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:15:48 PM EST

"Don't Arraign on My Parade."

: It's Arraign-y Night in Georgia n/t (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by Repack Rider on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 07:04:40 PM EST

Mark Meadows (5.00 / 2) (#13)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:56:43 PM EST

has filed an emergency request to avoid surrendering based on his request to have the case moved to federal court.

Fani replies: She is not giving any extensions and Meadows has until 12:30 on Friday to surrender to the Rice Street jail or she will be signing a warrant for his arrest.

The entitlement of the "just comply" crowd is even amazing jaded me.

The federal removal statute for civil cases (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 07:51:02 PM EST

provides for an automatic stay of state court proceedings upon the filing of the defendant's notice of removal. The criminal removal statute (the one involved here) does not provide for an automatic stay, only a stay if and after the federal judge finds that the case apparently qualifies for removal, which may require a hearing first. The difference in wording is stark, reflecting how unlikely it is for the removal of a criminal case to be approved. As a result, in a criminal case a stay basically cannot happen in two or three days. So Meadows's new motion is just a stunt.


That (none / 0) (#22)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 06:23:11 AM EST

seems to be what the local consensus is too. It's some sort of desperation play by Meadows to avoid arrest.


the judge has denied it (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 05:51:33 PM EST

(moving to federal court) for Meadows. I guess the ruling will be the same if Trump makes the motion.


To clarify, the federal judge had not remanded (none / 0) (#27)
by Peter G on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 07:32:55 PM EST

the cases to state court (which is the terminology for final denial of removal), but has only refused to issue any emergency stay or injunction against state court proceedings taking their ordinary course while he considers, under the standards and procedures of the federal statute, whether to allow the removal.


: As I understand it (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 08:32:15 PM EST

this means that Meadows & Jeff what's his name had better show up before noon on Friday or they are going to have warrants issued for their arrest.

The Republican (5.00 / 2) (#33)
by KeysDan on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 09:59:04 PM EST

debate is painful to watch. It is so bad, that Christi seems to be the best (sort of like the tallest Pygmy) Ron DeMeatball is over-practiced and over-coached, bottom line: he muffed his chance. Vivek tried to sound like early Barack Obama ("a skinny guy with an odd sounding name"-- Paraphrased. Mike Pence is just not very good at this, especially without the help of a fly. Nikki Haley found a voice and, even criticized Republicans running up the debt--but does not appear to be working with this crowd. There were others there, too. I think.

The Winner: Joe Biden

I thought Viv was (none / 0) (#34)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:33:33 AM EST

channeling Admiral Stockdale

By the end of the first hour I felt I knew each of his teeth personally.

I thought Christie did well. I see double digits in his future.


There (none / 0) (#35)
by FlJoe on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 08:28:30 AM EST

is a certain "entertainment" factor that Christie has, just like tRump, a wisecracking bully the base loves that, WWE style.


Something tells me (none / 0) (#38)
by jondee on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 02:06:30 PM EST

Evangelicals will have serious qualms about voting for a brown Hindu.

An orange reprobate maybe, but a brown Hindu is probably a bridge too far.


But what if it isnt (none / 0) (#41)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 04:34:30 PM EST

He is getting a big bump. He might be ahead of DeSatan in the next poll.

It's certainly not a secret hes Hindu. He talks about it all the time.

It seems to be happening for now. And we always knew it had nothing to do with Jesus anyway, right?


Adding (none / 0) (#42)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 04:35:36 PM EST

OMFG I so hope he is the nominee. Which alone probably means he won't be.


: Not to go on about this but (none / 0) (#43)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 04:41:14 PM EST

If you can warp your so called christian beliefs around Donald Trump, don't try to tell me they believed he is or was a Christian, why not Vivek.
He hasn't raped anyone we know of and has no open felony charges. We know of.
I think this guy could be a thing.
And remember you laughed when I said Trump would be a thing.

There's also the fact (none / 0) (#44)
by jondee on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 05:06:07 PM EST

that Ramaswamy celebrates Modi the Hindu nationalist, who's come down hard on Indian Christians and seems to want to reduce them to second class citizen status.

Of course, if Christians can ignore the "too woke" Sermon On The Mount, maybe they'll modify the religion again to accommodate foreign leaders who persecute Christians.


Exactly my point (none / 0) (#45)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 05:26:51 PM EST

Watching him last night for the first time for more than 5 seconds I found him absolutely repulsive. I hated listening to him. Listening to him made me want to take a shower.

And I realized that's exactly the way listening to Trump makes me feel.

This one is strong with the force


Tulsi (none / 0) (#47)
by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:24:21 PM EST

Gabbard is also a Modi fan and this same group likes her. Cults are gonna go for the cultists.


: We must know the same fringe (none / 0) (#48)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:35:43 PM EST

I unfriended a guy for sending me shi+ about Tulsi Gabbard. A former Bernie supporter.
Trying to follow that makes my head hurt

I would have (none / 0) (#46)
by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 07:23:23 PM EST

agreed with this in the past. However we all need to realize that Evangelicals are a cult. They are not Christians. They care about nothing but power and control and if Vivek will promise to turn the US into Gilead they will show up and vote for him despite all his issues. Once you realize that they really don't hold any Christian beliefs it will become clear to you.

Remember they all showed up for herschel Walker who was a wife beater. Walker turned off the swing voters as Vivek would too.


That was exactly my thought. (none / 0) (#49)
by Chuck0 on Fri Aug 25, 2023 at 12:46:29 PM EST

I don't see MAGA evangelicals voting for a Hindu.


A friend's brother (none / 0) (#50)
by MO Blue on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 07:29:06 AM EST

who is an ultra religious conservative, refused to vote for Romney because he was a Mormon. I doubt he was alone. I'm fairly sure he would make the same decision about voting for a Hindu.


It was never about Jesus IMO (none / 0) (#51)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 10:46:16 AM EST

I actually think some might see separating their "politics" from their "religion" might be a plus.

After GOP debate showing, Vivek Ramaswamy sees his crowds growing in central Iowa

Yet on Friday morning, throngs of Iowans packed Ramaswamy's appearances.
Iowa State Senate President Jake Chapman, Ramaswamy's Iowa co-chair, said they planned for 75 to 100 people to attend an event at Fireside Bistro in Indianola Friday morning. Instead, 300 people showed up, he estimated.

He tickles their hate bone.


We'll see.. (none / 0) (#52)
by jondee on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 12:02:24 PM EST

Those people are so illiterate, I bet 90% of them don't even know he's a Hindu, or what a Hindu is, for that matter.

On the other hand, Nikki seems to have a real hard-on for him, and not in a good way. Even though Republicans love anyone right-wing from anywhere, trumpeting the anti-Christian Modi thing could be a very effective point of attack.


I was starting to get the feeling (none / 0) (#53)
by jondee on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 12:59:40 PM EST

Nikki was there as the designated hitman to take Ramaswamy down a notch and create a lane for Rhonda or Pence or whoever.

We'll see if that pattern continues. Have a feeling it will.


Yes, they probably (none / 0) (#54)
by KeysDan on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 03:12:20 PM EST

don't know what a Hindu is, or believes. Maybe, just another word for an Indian, or someone from the Northside of Mumbai. Ramaswamy is more likely to get into trouble for taking money from the Soros family. They know what that means.

Ram accepted (and tried to hide) a $90,000 award from the Paul and Daisy Soros Fellowship for law studies at Yale, a Fellowship funded by the late, older brother of George.

Ramaswamy may be just what the deplorables are looking for--an unindicted youth with all the wackiness and hate as their first love.


It sounds like he was (5.00 / 1) (#55)
by jondee on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 04:10:24 PM EST

already quite wealthy when he accepted that grant - in the process deprived someone else who was probably just as deserving and much more in need of the assistance.

But as evidenced by their admiration for Trump, people on the Right admire a predatory opportunist who can exploit a weakness in the system.


I agree (none / 0) (#57)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 06:32:29 AM EST

with you. These people are so conditioned to melt down over the word "Soros" that once that sinks in it's probably the end. It might take months to sink in though.


I agree (none / 0) (#58)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 06:32:29 AM EST

Hey, GA6, you really need to try to figure out (none / 0) (#59)
by Peter G on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 10:56:04 AM EST

what you are doing that is causing so many double posts. It does not appear to be happening to anyone else, so it must be something with you or your computer that needs an adjustment.


: Maybe a browser update? (none / 0) (#60)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 11:45:27 AM EST

A reboot?

: I know (none / 0) (#61)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 27, 2023 at 04:39:08 PM EST

it is annoying to me too.
I did an update and it didn't fix it. Maybe I will just have to stop using chrome and go back to IE.

It's (none / 0) (#56)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 26, 2023 at 05:22:32 PM EST

the same old "own the libs song" put out by the fresh young face, the thrill will be temporary I think.


Yes, the man (none / 0) (#39)
by KeysDan on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 02:18:12 PM EST

with the teeth and 32 times more arrogance. The crowd loved his entertainment--a stand-in, stand-up comedy entertainer.

A lightweight, as Nikki unveiled, but has the likely fleeting MAGA interest of a Ben Carson or Herman 9-9-9 Cain (RIP). Trying hard to be a Trump (albeit ersatz).


: Yeah, It's the 'high-energy' (none / 0) (#40)
by jondee on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 02:43:32 PM EST

entertainment value thing. Half of Trump's appeal, or maybe All of Trump's appeal.
Other than Christie, the others may as well have been one gray, faceless, nameless (and gutless) add-water-and-stir Republican.
They're about as inspiring as a cold rectal thermometer.

That (none / 0) (#36)
by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 08:42:40 AM EST

hand raising in support of a convicted felon being president surely will be a campaign ad.


David Shafer (none / 0) (#5)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:25:35 PM EST

GOP official, fake elector is now saying in court filings the fake electors were acting "at the direction of President Trump"

This seems important.

: He's trying to (none / 0) (#8)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:33:46 PM EST

blame Trump for his behavior which I don't think will work. Maybe he is getting ready to turn state's witness. I was soooo glad this creep got indicted.

: He's trying to (none / 0) (#9)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:33:46 PM EST

blame Trump for his behavior which I don't think will work. Maybe he is getting ready to turn state's witness. I was soooo glad this creep got indicted.

I seriously (none / 0) (#7)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:31:08 PM EST

hope Trump gets his mug shot at the Rice Street Jail. Scott Hall surrendered today and is "in detention". I guess this means the time when they are booking him because i don't think he is actually going to stay at the jail.

Fani Willis has told those who don't want to stand in line that they can come in at 3 a.m. the least busy time for the jail. I guess the media will have to have 24 hour watch if the defendants show up in teh wee hours of the morning. LOL.

I would rather see video of Trump standing in line (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:43:04 PM EST

With tweakers and prostitutes than a mug shot.

The possibility of Donald Trump's mug shot being taken and released when he surrenders at a Georgia jail has his devoted fans and ardent detractors nearly equally excited," Semafor reports.
"This would be the first mug shot of the former U.S. president to exist, despite having turned himself in to authorities on criminal charges on three previous occasions."
"Vendors on Etsy that cater to both crowds told Semafor they are already preparing designs for new mug shot-themed apparel, and are expecting a crush of demand."

: Yes (none / 0) (#12)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 02:53:40 PM EST

but his mug shot is not public. Under GA law mug shots are not released to the public but you can file to get a copy with Fulton County. I am guessing they are going to be overwhelmed with requests. LOL.

: It's (none / 0) (#16)
by FlJoe on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 05:58:57 PM EST

a strange, strange world we live in.

Consent (none / 0) (#14)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 03:01:43 PM EST

bonds issued so far:
Trump: $200,000
Eastman: $100,000
Jenna Ellis: $100,000
Kenneth Chesebro: $100,000
David Shafer: $75,000
Cathy Latham: $75,000
Mike Roman: $50,000
Ray Smith: $50,000
Scott Hall: $10,000
Shawn Still: $10,000

Still 9 more to go. Either they haven't contacted the Fulton County DA's office yet or are in the process of working out an agreement or are just going to show up at the jail and sit there.

Guiliani has no money it seems. Him sitting in the jail being processed would be rich. Or Fani issuing a warrant for his arrest.

: Update (none / 0) (#37)
by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 24, 2023 at 08:50:53 AM EST

Trump being booked today. Eastman, Ellis, Chesebro, Shafer, Latham, Hall, Smith have been booked.
We still have 10 left to turn themselves in including Trump. I guess they are waiting until the last minute? Meadows and Clark filed to stop being criminally processed but they lost.
Fani doesn't play and all other these jokers need to start talking to the bond companies or come up with the cash and go directly to the Rice Street Jail.

This seems important (none / 0) (#15)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 05:56:00 PM EST

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it''s very important (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 06:57:12 PM EST

Now both "employee #4" and Oliveira have retracted their prior testimony that was helpful to Trump and will be witnesses against him.

Employee #4 is Yuscil Taveras.


Armando (none / 0) (#17)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 06:48:06 PM EST

says it is significant in that it shows Jack will humiliate Cannon as much as possible and as often as possible.

I was trying to figure out what the deal was because we already knew he changed his story hence the indictment of the property manager.


: He's now (none / 0) (#19)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 22, 2023 at 07:17:19 PM EST

Testifying against the others I believe

: I (none / 0) (#21)
by FlJoe on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 04:31:04 AM EST

think it's more like boxing her in than humiliation.
Everybody already assumed that #4 had flipped, Smith just made it official.

Guiliani (none / 0) (#23)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 06:24:35 AM EST

is coming to town today with Bernie Kerik. Apparently he cannot afford an attorney. So Kerik is going to walk him through getting arrested and booked.

Trump rightfully gets tagged with these criminals because they aided and abetted his crimes but none of us should forget that George W. Bush elevated these same criminals.

We have (none / 0) (#31)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 08:35:23 PM EST

9 mugshots it seems and 10 more to go.

We have (none / 0) (#32)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 23, 2023 at 08:35:24 PM EST