Kamala's Night to Shine

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2024
Posted on Thu Aug 22, 2024 at 09:25:06 PM EST
Tags: DNC, Kamala Harris (all tags)

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Kamala Harris will accept the nomination tonight. She'll be her own best champion. I'm already on board.

Update: Kamala Harris nailed it. She took on unity, the border, the Ukraine, Israel, Gaza, respect for our military, Nato, Iran, individual freedom, the housing shortage and everything else in the kitchen sink. She called out Trump (no need to rehash that). Her delivery was impeccable: passionate, measured, joyous with a "but don't cross me" undertone.

A transcript of her speech is here.[More...]

Also speaking Thursday night: Four of the five men formerly known as the "Central Park Five", now referred to as "The Exonerated Five" to whom Donald Trump has yet to apologize for the ad he took out calling the death penalty before they were convicted.

[They] said that what Mr. Trump did to them was devastating and proves that he is too callous and dangerous to serve a second term as president.
Mr. Wise, who served more than 13 years in prison, the longest term among the group, told the convention crowd that the men’s youth had been stolen from them and they faced the screams of adults as they entered court each day because of Mr. Trump’s actions.

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Kamala's Night to Shine | 146 comments (146 topical)

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Wonderful ... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by desertswine on Thu Aug 22, 2024 at 10:13:49 PM EST

Wonderful, inspiring speech.

An amazing (5.00 / 3) (#2)
by KeysDan on Thu Aug 22, 2024 at 10:22:27 PM EST

speech---it had it all and beautifully delivered.

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I beg to differ. (5.00 / 3) (#6)
by vml68 on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 10:08:07 AM EST

She did not talk about any of the important issues, like sharks, electric boats, Hannibal Lecter, etc. I am back to being undecided!
Sorry, I just watched a clip of an "undecided voter" saying, he was voting for the Orange Crimesicle because Kamala did not discuss her policies in depth last night.

Kamala Harris was amazing last night. This Indian woman was filled with pride.

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I'm assuming you're referencing CNN. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 10:26:01 AM EST

That "undecided voter" who spontaneously decided to support Trump after hearing Kamala Harris' speech is actually a far-right wingbat named Bryant Rosado who has a long pro-MAGA social media history, which includes posts praising Trump's mugshot and plenty of angry laments over Mike Pence's failure to overturn the election on January 6.

Rosado was a ringer, and CNN's failure to adequately vet its own panel to weed out people like him is shameful. A quick and easy Google search of his name would've exposed him.

Aloha.

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Yep, which is why I had (none / 0) (#41)
by vml68 on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 12:27:10 PM EST

"undecided voter" in quotes. I believe CNN was well aware of who he was. They just assumed that the rest of us don't know or won't find out.

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They knew (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 12:50:38 PM EST

Pro-Trump "Undecided" Panelist Says CNN Knew He Supported Trump

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: If that's true, then CNN ... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 12:06:34 PM EST

... was perpetrating a public fraud by saying otherwise during that broadcast. Speaking of CNN, I watched Dana Bash's interview with Kamala Harris and Tim Walz yesterday. They came off very well, and Harris in particular looked totally in command.

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Thanks (none / 0) (#7)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 10:46:15 AM EST

for that comment. I was wondering about the thoughts of the Indian/South Asian community.

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The Indian/South Asian community is (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by vml68 on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 11:42:49 AM EST

no different than any other community. Unfortunately, we have our fair share of MAGA worshippers and Vivek Ramaswamy supporters.
I haven't heard/seen much support for Nikki Haley. Hmm, I wonder why?!

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: I had (none / 0) (#14)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 05:17:03 PM EST

erased Vivek from my memory until you mentioned him. LOL. You could easily see that Nikki Haley despised that guy and if she could have gotten away with it would have stabbed him with her high heels.

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Interesting what she did not day (none / 0) (#8)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 10:46:42 AM EST

she never mentioned the historic aspect of this. The first woman. That's an interesting choice.

Did she? I don't remember it.

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No, (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by KeysDan on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 10:58:24 AM EST

she didn't.

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: A little Sojourner Truth (none / 0) (#11)
by jondee on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 02:46:52 PM EST

"Ain't I a woman?" would've been cool.

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Kamala Harris is all business. (5.00 / 2) (#27)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 04:42:53 PM EST

She stated as much when she tamped down the three-minute standing ovation to begin her speech: "Okay, let's get to business." Even her deep violet pantsuit - or was it navy blue? I can never tell on TV - stood out from so many of the other Democratic women in the United Center, who were wearing white.

In her prior campaigns, Harris never acknowledged the historic nature of her candidacy and public service while becoming the first woman and first Black American to serve as both San Francisco District Attorney and California Attorney General, and only the second Black woman to ever serve as a U.S. senator. And frankly, I don't think she has to state that explicitly, because the rest of us are already doing so for her.

I admire that "let's get to the point" aspect in her. One of my own criticisms of Barack Obama's 2008 presidential candidacy was that all too often during the campaign, he wore its symbolic nature on his sleeve. That was perhaps necessary in large part because his political resume in 2008 was otherwise pretty thin for someone aspiring to such a high office.

Kamala Harris's professional and political credentials are a lot stronger, and she's not shy about saying she's more than qualified to serve as president and commander in chief.

A good friend of mine from college days, a never-Trump Republican, noted to me the other night that Harris's obvious self-confidence is what convinced him to vote for her rather than go third party: "She just looked and sounded like a president."

Aloha.

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It really was (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 04:46:14 PM EST

It was one of the shortest ever. His was the longest.

Compared to some others that inspired with soaring oratory it inspired sort of quietly.

It had a real no bullsh!t "Mom" quality.

I mean that as a compliment

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: I loved (5.00 / 1) (#32)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 05:35:32 PM EST

the mom look she gave the protesters that interrupted her speech. The no BS has made me a Kamala fan girl. I love that!

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I'm so glad the 5 was part of this (5.00 / 4) (#3)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 08:25:02 AM EST

I was living in NYC when that happened. I held the full page Times ad. And kept it for a longtime.

Of all the sh!tty things he has done that is still the worst. The most craven. That he has still to this day not admitted he was wrong should be hung around his neck.

I've tried to tell this story to many MAGATs. Because it effected me. They refuse to believe it. Fake news BS.

It was great to include them.

: The guy without a suit (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 08:27:22 AM EST

Was the oldest. He was 15 at the time.

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: Every (none / 0) (#5)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 09:47:49 AM EST

verifiable bad thing Trump has done is met with "fake news" from the cult.

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I have to wonder (5.00 / 3) (#34)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 05:43:10 PM EST

how many people in the country are like sick of Trump? Who else besides Nixon has run 3 times and his third time was as an incumbent. His schtick seems old and tired to me with the same grievances over and over.

Happy (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 12:48:37 PM EST

National Dog Day

: A 1986 interview with Lassie (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 05:47:30 PM EST

for National Dog Day

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Jack Smith just filed Superceding Indictment (5.00 / 1) (#51)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:13:33 PM EST

In the Documents case.

Here (5.00 / 1) (#52)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:15:58 PM EST

Trump charged in superseding indictment in federal election interference case

Special counsel Jack Smith filed the charges on Tuesday.

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Exactly what I expected, except (5.00 / 2) (#53)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:28:48 PM EST

I would have expected it to be done a month ago. Clarify that all the charges involve exclusively post-Presidency conduct, and eliminate any reference, even for context, to matters occurring while in office that might even arguably be considered "official."

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I heard someone say (none / 0) (#55)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:31:53 PM EST

He's waiting to win the appeal to then try to have her removed.

Whaddya think

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I don't think they are going to ask (none / 0) (#57)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:37:07 PM EST

for Cannon's recusal from the case. The best time and way to do that would have been to ask for it as a form of ancillary relief in the appeal brief filed yesterday. But they didn't.

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I believe Judge Aileen Cannon has no business ... (5.00 / 1) (#77)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 12:53:34 PM EST

... presiding over that trial. She wears her obvious bias toward Donald Trump on her sleeve and in that respect, she's all too often been about as subtle in her intentions as Snidely Whiplash in a Dudley Do-Right cartoon.

Look, Judge Cannon has already - and repeatedly, if we're being honest in our observations - tipped her hand and shown her willingness to not only tank this case in defendant Trump's favor, but to do so on the flimsiest of pretexts.

Personally, I don't see that the appellate judges of the 11th Circuit Court really have any choice BUT to recuse Cannon upon their reversal of her cartoonishly bad ruling for dismissal. Frankly, to still leave her in place at this point, given her prior conduct, would render their OWN collective judgment suspect.

Anyway, just sayin' as a legal layman who wants to see justice fairly rendered.

Aloha.

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Do you think there is a chance (none / 0) (#58)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:40:14 PM EST

The 11th Circuit will do it?

I do like the idea of his winning with her as judge.

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It is unusual, but not impermissible (5.00 / 1) (#60)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:45:45 PM EST

for a court to give more relief than a party asked for.

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: It would be (5.00 / 1) (#61)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:49:48 PM EST

Her third strike

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Smith will never win with Judge Cannon presiding. (5.00 / 1) (#95)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:41:06 AM EST

CaptHowdy: "I do like the idea of his winning with her as judge."

I think Cannon's made that perfectly clear to everyone. I mean, this was about an airtight and open-and-shut case of felony espionage and obstruction as could be had. And yet, she had absolutely no problem sabotaging it repeatedly in pre-trial proceedings and then finally tanking it altogether, all evidence to the contrary be damned.

Justice cannot and will never be served in U.S. v. Trump, so long as Aileen Cannon is allowed to stand behind home plate and call the balls and strikes. Our national security was likely breached and compromised, but MAGA Yo-Mama couldn't give a flying phuque about it because all hail her Lord God Creamsicle.

It breaks my heart to even have to write that about a federal judge, because I was raised to respect the rule of law. But honestly, between Cannon's nonsense and the rulings brought down by the SCOTUS MAGA majority, my faith in due process and our legal system is currently suffering from the judicial equivalent of shaken baby syndrome.

Cannon's proved herself to be as hopelessly and breathtakingly corrupt as the inbred MAGA breed comes, and she can't be trusted to even preside over a one-float Rose Parade without putting her thumb on the scales. Congress should impeach and remove her, but we all know that ain't never gonna happen. And for that, everybody loses.

Aloha.

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Not sure that entirely true (none / 0) (#96)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 09:15:54 AM EST

If the 11th reverses the dismissal it will be the third reversal.

I don't see why it would be surprising if whatever she decides is reversed on appeal.

Hence, he wins.

Am I missing something?

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Being wrong on the law, even repeatedly (5.00 / 1) (#99)
by Peter G on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 11:30:21 AM EST

is not necessarily grounds to remove a judge. Special Counsel's brief did not ask for her to be removed. But there is an amicus brief (motion for permission to file pending) that does request this, and an appellate court has authority to order that in their discretion, even where recusal of the judge would not be required.

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Right (none / 0) (#100)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 11:51:03 AM EST

But dismissing the case as described is the only thing she can do that is not subject to appeal, right?

Anything she "decides" can be appealed.

Which is why she has gone out of her way to decide nothing I guess.

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No, that's almost completely wrong (none / 0) (#103)
by Peter G on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:08:09 PM EST

Dismissing the case (other than after jeopardy has attached) is almost the only thing that can be appealed pretrial. Most pretrial ruling cannot be immediately appealed by either side. Most things she decides against the prosecutors' preferences can never be appealed. After trial and sentencing, when the defendant has the right to appeal most issues, the prosecutor cannot appeal except for technical issues about the sentence. And pretrial, only a specific list of issues is appealable by the government.

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I meant to discuss (none / 0) (#104)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:10:38 PM EST

After a jury is selected.

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Not talking about (none / 0) (#105)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:13:18 PM EST

Pretrial

So with that one mind

But dismissing the case as described is the only thing she can do that is not subject to appeal, right?
Anything she "decides" can be appealed.

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Let me be clear (none / 0) (#106)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:17:53 PM EST

Clearly I'm not being clear

After the trial is completed, then she can dismiss the case not subject to appeal.

That is the ONLY thing she can do - after the trial is completed - that can't be appealed

Correct?

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I understand this (none / 0) (#107)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:30:29 PM EST

Appeals by the prosecution after a verdict are not normally allowed because of the prohibition in the U. S. Constitution against double jeopardy, or being tried twice for the same crime

But there are usually lots of decisions beyond the verdict, right.
As you say, technical.

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Or (none / 0) (#108)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:33:28 PM EST

BEFORE the verdict.

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: I'm trying to understand (none / 0) (#109)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:39:48 PM EST

how and why the 11th Circuit could leave her in charge of this incredibly important case when people have been predicting and warning since she got the case she would do exactly what was described and dismiss the case after the trial started.
How could they allow that? And if she did that is that really the end for any charges about documents forever.
It seems unbelievable.

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Sorry (none / 0) (#110)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:45:47 PM EST

after the trial is completed

What I meant was during the trial

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There are just too many permutations and (none / 0) (#111)
by Peter G on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:50:38 PM EST

possibilities to answer these question hypothetically. Anything important that does happen, I will try to address, in light of the actual circumstances.

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: That's all we (none / 0) (#112)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:52:45 PM EST

can hope for

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If After a Jury is Seated (none / 0) (#97)
by RickyJim on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 10:21:45 AM EST

she dismisses the case, I think double jeopardy prevents it from being reinstated. I am not sure about this so I hope Peter and the other lawyers will weight in.

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: With minor exceptions for cases (5.00 / 1) (#98)
by Peter G on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 11:23:59 AM EST

where the defense requests a retrial, that is correct Ricky. After jeopardy attaches (jury sworn, or in non-jury trial first witness is sworn) even a grossly erroneous dismissal or other termination of the case by the judge is final.

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Maybe it took some time (none / 0) (#62)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 28, 2024 at 08:10:28 AM EST

because he created a new Grand Jury so they can't claim the GJ heard any evidence they were not supposed to hear to about his "official acts"

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: Getting a new, superseding indictment (5.00 / 2) (#63)
by Peter G on Wed Aug 28, 2024 at 01:50:35 PM EST

was a cautious, conservative move. It could be argued that the new version only narrows the charges previously brought, which a prosecutor can do without resubmission to a grand jury. Going to a new grand jury not only protects against any "taint" argument, as Howdy suggests, but also protects against any argument that the new charges -- by focusing on Tr*mp the candidate, rather than on Tr*mp the President -- are fundamentally different in their legal and/or factual theory from the charges as originally brought, which is not permitted without resubmission to a grand jury.

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Expect the same to be done shortly (5.00 / 2) (#54)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:30:42 PM EST

in the January 6 (D.C. federal) case against Tr*mp as well, to skirt any problem under the SCOTUS immunity decision.

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Wait, no. Not in the "documents" case (5.00 / 1) (#56)
by Peter G on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:34:30 PM EST

This superseding indictment is in the Washington DC "election interference"/Jan. 6 case. Although the same tactic by Jack Smith should be expected in the documents case once Judge Cannon's dismissal is reversed on appeal.

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: My bad. (none / 0) (#59)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 27, 2024 at 03:40:35 PM EST

So many charges

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The Tr*mp campaign's unlawful exploitation (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by Peter G on Wed Aug 28, 2024 at 01:54:29 PM EST

of Arlington National Cemetery for the filming of a campaign ad (masquerading as a wreath-laying) could be a serious misstep.

As a Gold Satr family member myself, ... (5.00 / 2) (#91)
by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 04, 2024 at 12:04:53 PM EST

... whose father was killed in Vietnam and is interred at Arlington Cemetery, I empathize with the families of the 13 military personnel killed in the Abbey Gate bombing at Kabul Int'l Airport in August 2021.

Unlike other visitors to Arlington, Gold Star family members like myself with loved ones there enjoy the life-long right to drive on cemetery grounds to visit them. However, none of us are entitled to waive federal law and grant to our own invited guests the use of any military cemetery property for political or commercial purposes.

I would further note - and this has not been emphasized enough in the media - that only two of those aforementioned thirteen families of Abbey Gate victims participated in last week's wreath-laying ceremony.

And unlike what has been claimed by the Trump campaign, President Biden and Vice President Harris were never invited to attend, even as they were denounced for their supposed failure to show up.

Donald Trump's subsequent attempt to hide behind the skirts of the mother of one on the Abbey Gate victims after his campaign misfire is a timid and shabby look, particular after we learned that a cemetery employee trying to enforce the rules was assaulted by two Trump campaign staffers.

I hope we haven't heard the last of this. It was an affront to the memory of those whose final resting place is at Arlington.

Aloha.

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It only gets worse. Pick your (5.00 / 1) (#92)
by KeysDan on Wed Sep 04, 2024 at 02:22:40 PM EST

favorite lie. The Now, Trump is claiming a blanket denial. Apparently, all the previous lies about the incident are inoperable. The latest lie is that it never happened. There was no conflict or "fighting" at Arlington Cemetery. A story by Comrade Kamala (his latest attempt at a slur)--she made it up.

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My guess (5.00 / 1) (#93)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 04, 2024 at 02:53:16 PM EST

he wants the employee to go public to prove the story. They would have their life ruined and it would be good press for him.

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: Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#94)
by KeysDan on Wed Sep 04, 2024 at 03:15:47 PM EST

Trump is looking for any press. The GOP is low on cash (probably the Trump bank account is high on cash), so any free press is welcome. And, the press is more than happy to oblige.

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I mean (none / 0) (#65)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 28, 2024 at 01:59:25 PM EST

Who doesn't do thumbs up at a gravesite.

To be fair the family members were doing it too.

But still.

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And " a verbal and physical (5.00 / 2) (#66)
by jondee on Wed Aug 28, 2024 at 03:21:54 PM EST

altercation with a cemetery staff member"

Wtf?

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This is great stuff (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 28, 2024 at 03:49:14 PM EST

Trump's campaign spokesman Stephen Cheung insisted was an individual experiencing a "mental health episode."

Such nice people

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Always helps to season your desecration (5.00 / 2) (#68)
by Peter G on Thu Aug 29, 2024 at 11:37:48 AM EST

(and federal law violation) with a little defamation against the public official trying to do their job.

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It's not going away (5.00 / 2) (#69)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 29, 2024 at 11:50:48 AM EST

`Unfairly attacked': Army defends employee involved in Trump campaign incident at Arlington
The Trump camp said the worker has mental health problems

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Eye-liner (none / 0) (#71)
by jondee on Thu Aug 29, 2024 at 02:07:59 PM EST

immediately went on the offensive, claiming it's all Kamala's fault. Somehow.

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And Kamala Harris had yet to ... (none / 0) (#78)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 01:03:55 PM EST

... even comment publicly on the episode, when J.D. Vance told her to "go to he**!" Such nice people.

Vance is an emotionally unbalanced hot mess.

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: The cultists seem to like (5.00 / 1) (#79)
by jondee on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 01:49:52 PM EST

that kind of thing.
Wild-swinging, unfocused rage.

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This (none / 0) (#75)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 05:55:39 AM EST

is surprising to me. I figured it was another day of Trump commits a crime and moving on. However this one has been playing for a couple of days now.

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Curious what Harris/Walz (5.00 / 2) (#70)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 29, 2024 at 11:56:25 AM EST

has to say about it. It seems likely they will be asked in the CNN "interview" later today.

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: I have not watched every minute (none / 0) (#83)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 05:22:01 PM EST

But I did not see it mentioned.
Was it?

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Stephen Cheung is scum. (none / 0) (#80)
by vml68 on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 02:58:14 PM EST

As usual everything that comes from that campaign is projection.
The "mental health episode" comment and the, "Make sure AF2 is deep cleaned because Lord only knows what Kamala Harris and her team have done on there."
"The smell alone on that plane must be crazy," would describe everything we've seen and heard about Tr*mp.

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It's a variation (5.00 / 1) (#81)
by jondee on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 04:29:38 PM EST

on the big tough guy stalking Hillary on the debate stage in 2016 schtick.

It would be funny if Walz came out and beat his ass. Not that I'm favor of that sort of thing. Perish the thought.

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I don't think he will need to actually (5.00 / 1) (#82)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 05:20:31 PM EST

beat his ass to beat his ass.

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: As long as it happens (none / 0) (#85)
by jondee on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 09:29:10 PM EST

in some form.

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look who Harris/Walz chose as their (5.00 / 1) (#72)
by leap2 on Thu Aug 29, 2024 at 03:53:48 PM EST

National Campaign Co-Chair!

It keeps getting better and better! She is a treasure.

ADHD voters (5.00 / 1) (#73)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 29, 2024 at 05:25:35 PM EST

for HARRIS/WALZ

: I got as far as ADHD (none / 0) (#74)
by jondee on Thu Aug 29, 2024 at 09:39:30 PM EST

and got distracted.
Oh yeah, I see it now.
Awesome.

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Liz Cheney (5.00 / 1) (#114)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 04:01:27 PM EST

officially endorsed Kamala today. Or maybe yesterday

PSYCHOPAC.ORG

I am so proud of Liz Cheney. (5.00 / 2) (#116)
by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 05:35:46 PM EST

And I NEVER thought I would ever utter those words. She is a true conservative Republican. She really ticked me off during the Obama Administration.

BUT, as she said herself, country before party, country before ideology.

I wasn't sure she should we ever actually endorse any Democrat for president. I felt there was a good possibility she might vote for a Dem, but would be quiet about. Or she would not vote at all, or write in someone. But she understands the stakes. Publicly announcing she will vote Harris is mind blowing (at least to me).

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stopped clock, etc. (none / 0) (#118)
by leap2 on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 08:00:40 PM EST

Twice. This. And J-6. She still has very right-wing ideology. She was nasty to her sister. She's Dead-eye Dick's daughter, don't forget. Power is the family engine.

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I agree (none / 0) (#119)
by Chuck0 on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 10:54:39 AM EST

She is a right wing Republican. But I have to give her props for the stand she is taking now. She said a lot of nasty things during the Obama years. I remember. That was then, this is now. Now is more important to me. The country depends on it.

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She also came out supporting (5.00 / 1) (#122)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 01:44:58 PM EST

Colin Allred who is running against Ted Cruise.

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Good (5.00 / 1) (#123)
by KeysDan on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 03:02:35 PM EST

for her. And, good for Kamala.

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: She said (5.00 / 3) (#124)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 03:06:51 PM EST

she will work for Colin Allred.
That's big.
I'm betting Rick Scott and Ted are both going to be unemployed in January

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Liz just anounced (none / 0) (#120)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 01:42:42 PM EST

Her dad, Dick, would also be voting for Kamala

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I think there might be some others (none / 0) (#121)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 01:43:47 PM EST

Like Bush family may do the same

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Yeah, I just saw that one on (none / 0) (#126)
by Chuck0 on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 04:16:14 PM EST

Deadline Whitehouse.

The devil is shopping for a good winter coat.

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I like her idea (5.00 / 1) (#127)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 04:38:40 PM EST

Of a Bernie/Dick campaign commercial

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So (none / 0) (#128)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 04:51:29 PM EST

Now we have the last two vice presidents, including his own, pi$$ing on him.

What would be sweet is last republican president.

I officially predict this.

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At the very least (none / 0) (#129)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 05:22:15 PM EST

Jeb

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Oh well (none / 0) (#133)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 07, 2024 at 06:24:52 PM EST

Former President George W. Bush has no plans to endorse in the election
"President Bush retired from presidential politics years ago," his office said in a statement to NBC News.

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: (Sigh!) Every one of my prior disparagements ... (5.00 / 1) (#135)
by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 09, 2024 at 12:48:43 AM EST

... about Dubya and the Bush family here at TalkLeft stand.

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: W (5.00 / 1) (#137)
by KeysDan on Mon Sep 09, 2024 at 10:54:14 AM EST

apparently retired from American citizenship. No profile in courage other than to summon up lies about weapons of mass destruction as a pretext to war.

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Harris crowned Democrat nominee after Biden coup. (none / 0) (#12)
by Chuck0 on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 04:39:54 PM EST

I was cruise'n the news channels last night and stopped for a minute at NewsMax. The above sentence was their chyron during last nights DNC.

I'm starting to understand the stupidity of the MAGA crowd.

Plumbing those depths (5.00 / 2) (#13)
by jondee on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 05:08:34 PM EST

is an undertaking not for the faint of heart.

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The new thing on NEWMAX (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 05:36:08 PM EST

or so I read, is saying that reporting that polls show Harris leading is election interference.

But it was ok when Trump was leading. Because, well, Trump was leading.

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This (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 05:40:51 PM EST

You are right. It's not a mystery why half the country lives down a rabbit hole

Newsmax host says polls showing Kamala Harris in the lead are "almost like election meddling"
Rob Schmitt: "I think that when you put a poll out there that makes it look like Kamala is doing well, it creates the idea in a lot of people's minds that aren't intelligent enough to think for themselves"

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Not election meddling (none / 0) (#17)
by jondee on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 07:53:38 PM EST

but almost like election meddling.

Like RFK suddenly seeing the light and campaigning with Trump in Arizona.

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: That these people like Trump (none / 0) (#18)
by jondee on Fri Aug 23, 2024 at 09:22:04 PM EST

is one thing, that their thinking is actually influenced by that swine beggers belief.

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Recently when I said Harris would be (none / 0) (#19)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 24, 2024 at 08:25:22 AM EST

a solid 5 points ahead by the end of the week I was exaggerating

But not by much

Harris' Convention Bounce Begins
August 23, 2024 at 8:57 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 397 Comments
Nate Silver's polling average shows Kamala Harris expanding her national lead over Donald Trump, 48% to 43.7%.

To (none / 0) (#20)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 24, 2024 at 08:46:41 AM EST

me it's not really the lead but the Trump number because if the poll is correct that is what he is going to get and every poll showing his support going down to the low 40's makes me very happy. I don't think 3rd parties are going to make much difference this year (I Hope)

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I've still got a little (5.00 / 4) (#21)
by jondee on Sat Aug 24, 2024 at 01:04:16 PM EST

Post 2016 Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Wake me when it's over.

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I think we all (5.00 / 2) (#24)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 02:08:23 PM EST

do to some extent. After 2016 and then 2022 the polls are suspicious to me. They were even off in 2020. I thought electing Biden would get rid of some of PTSD and it did for a year or so until Trump showed back up on the scene.

It is going to get rough with full on misogyny from 2016 and racism from 2012. I wish I had bought Xanax when I was in Mexico some days.

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Its only September (none / 0) (#25)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 04:39:20 PM EST

first we have 4 weeks of October surprises.

I think the next 4 weeks are going to be like nothing ever seen.

And that only gets us to election day and all that implies.

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I expect (none / 0) (#26)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 04:40:32 PM EST

Real October surprises

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For example (none / 0) (#29)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 04:56:23 PM EST

What if Trump thinks RFKjr is helping him (it's not clear it has) and decides to dump Shady Vance?
It's pretty clear he's not helping.

Anything could happen. Trump could see he's is losing and start working on an insanity defense.

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This is a very serious poll (none / 0) (#30)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 05:01:34 PM EST

A new Fairleigh Dickinson University poll finds Kamala Harris leading Donald Trump nationally by seven points among likely voters, 50% to 43%.

And it's likely voters. I don't put much faith in polls except for showing trends. But 7 before the convention bounce is a good trend.

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: Awesome (none / 0) (#31)
by jondee on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 05:15:35 PM EST

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FWIW (none / 0) (#33)
by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 05:40:43 PM EST

538 says RFK Jr. has done nothing for Trump.

To me it seems like 2 nuts attracted to each other. But maga loves it. It also looks like desperation since RFK Jr. originally was sent to siphon off D voters.

It seems some pundits are talking about getting rid of Vance but are the ballots already printed? I don't know how that works.

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Trump (none / 0) (#35)
by KeysDan on Sun Aug 25, 2024 at 07:51:51 PM EST

is touting Kennedy, Jr. as joining "the most anti-establishment ticket" suggesting sort of a political three-way, or else Vance is being relegated to being a couch potato. And, so anti-establishment--weird multi-millionaire legacy fail sons doing their best to destroy the country for power and money.

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The newest (none / 0) (#36)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 05:46:09 AM EST

RFK jr. story is that he cut off the head of a dead whale with a chainsaw and tied it to the top of his car. So he and the kids were riding down the road with the whale head on top of the car with whale juice spewing on them through the windows.

Maybe Hannibal Lector really is a good friend of Trump.

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Out (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by FlJoe on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 07:58:18 AM EST

of the weird into the bizzaro zone.

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: I'm starting to think (none / 0) (#47)
by jondee on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 01:23:01 PM EST

RFK's fingerprints might be all over those 'alien' cattle mutilations.

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Then it started (none / 0) (#38)
by jondee on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 10:53:57 AM EST

getting too smelly, so he left it under a tree in Central Park.

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Kick (none / 0) (#48)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 01:24:57 PM EST

never did say what happened to the head when they got home. So I wonder what he did end up doing with it.

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: He probably wanted the skull (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by jondee on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 01:52:40 PM EST

seriously, there are people who collect animal skulls.
That's the most benign interpretation.

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Vance must have got (none / 0) (#42)
by vml68 on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 12:48:10 PM EST

"personality" lessons from DeSantis.
I thought the video of his trip to a donut shop was so awkward.
Then I saw that Meidas Touch had juxtaposed that video with one of Walz visiting a Runza.
Now, I just feel sorry for Vance :-)!

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Musk is circulating (none / 0) (#46)
by jondee on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 12:53:51 PM EST

a picture of him and Jordan Peterson claiming that those two are "standing up to the elites."

What a load off to know that the world's richest man is standing up to the elites.

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Musk shenanigans (none / 0) (#39)
by jondee on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 11:19:24 AM EST

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PWire (none / 0) (#22)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 24, 2024 at 05:25:38 PM EST

Nate Silver: "Before explaining the methodological change in detail, let me show you the impact on our national polling average. Both Trump and Kamala Harris have gained ground versus yesterday's model run, the last one to include Kennedy. Harris's polling average has improved from 48.0 percent yesterday to 48.8 percent today (+0.8), while Trump's has increased from 43.7 to 44.8 (+1.1)."

"First, yes, Trump has gained slightly more than Harris from the change, although it's pretty minor, a net gain of 0.3 percentage points. And second, we're seeing the beginnings of a convention bounce for Harris. Even with the Kennedy change, She's now ahead by 4.0 points in the national polling average versus 2.3 points when the DNC started."

"Our best guess is that her lead will increase further, especially given that almost none of the polling was done after her strong acceptance speech on Thursday."

The strongest Anti Establishment ticket (none / 0) (#40)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 12:17:15 PM EST

in the history of America

But wait, that's not the ticket. Yet.

Benny Johnson (none / 0) (#43)
by jondee on Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 12:48:36 PM EST

is a piece of work.

Like Hannity on meth.

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Speaking of Benny Johnson.. (5.00 / 1) (#101)
by jondee on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 12:21:03 PM EST

Now we're finding out why all these 'influencer' weasels are so pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine.

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Et al (none / 0) (#102)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 02:04:15 PM EST

In a YouTube video earlier this year, Benny Johnson, an alleged serial plagiarist who previously worked for Buzzfeed and the conservative National Review, called for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to be "tried in Guantanamo Bay" for supporting aid to Ukraine.

Right-wing media hacks linked to alleged Russian disinformation ploy

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Tim Pool (none / 0) (#115)
by jondee on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 04:10:01 PM EST

known to some as Dim Tool, quite literally pounded his desk the other day and declared that "Ukraine was the enemy of the U.S!!" and that the "U.S should apologize to Russia" all while furtively glancing at the notes in front of him.

They're trying to claim now that they were "deceived" and had no idea where all the money was coming from.

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You know (none / 0) (#117)
by jondee on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 07:10:57 PM EST

You'd think this was a pretty significant story, yet I'm told there hasn't been a word about it yet in the NYT.

Go figure. Are they into the Russians too?

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The New York times likewise didn't bother... (5.00 / 2) (#134)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 08, 2024 at 11:39:51 AM EST

... to take note of former GOP Vice President Dick Cheney's endorsement of Kamala Harris. Yet only 16 days ago, its editors saw fit to highlight RFK Jr.'s endorsement of Trump above the fold on the front page, giving it co-equal top billing with Harris' acceptance speech at the Democratic convention. At this point, one can only assume that's because all hail the Lord God Creamsicle.

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Just saw this (none / 0) (#125)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 03:45:28 PM EST

The Tim Pool/Tenet Media story is obviously fascinating.
But...
An FBI affidavit unsealed this week says the Russians are maintaining an active list of 2,800 influencers, 600 of whom are in the US
The FBI has not released the list

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Tucker Carlson immediately (5.00 / 1) (#130)
by jondee on Fri Sep 06, 2024 at 08:00:43 PM EST

leaps to mind. he did everything but give
Putin a foot massage in that interview they did together. It would be harder to find a commentator in the U.S who's more pro-Russia.

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Yes (5.00 / 1) (#131)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 07, 2024 at 02:37:15 PM EST

everybody is pretty sure Carlson is on that list. Like you say he's the most Pro-Russia commentator out there. He probably knew where the money was coming from to boot but since he lost his job at Fox didn't care.

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These guys should quit (none / 0) (#132)
by jondee on Sat Sep 07, 2024 at 02:59:17 PM EST

while they're ahead. How much money does a person need?

Shoulda' gone back to college, Tucker. Or something.

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I have never paid (5.00 / 1) (#136)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 09, 2024 at 09:17:38 AM EST

much attention to these guys but I saw an interesting question raised. Now that they know where their bread is buttered so to speak have they stopped spewing Russian propaganda? Tim Pool was literally the worst one saying Ukraine was the enemy of America. I wonder if he has taken that statement back.

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: The clown started posting (none / 0) (#138)
by jondee on Mon Sep 09, 2024 at 03:45:43 PM EST

pictures of the Ukrainian flag a day or two after he was outed. lol

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This is supposed to be (none / 0) (#84)
by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 30, 2024 at 06:23:53 PM EST

when "people" start paying attention to the election.

I guess if they have not been paying attention they have a big WTF coming,

Good (none / 0) (#86)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 31, 2024 at 05:14:32 AM EST

start, more flip flops then a Key West bar in the last 48 hrs

What's with the right's (none / 0) (#87)
by jondee on Mon Sep 02, 2024 at 04:57:11 PM EST

obsession with natalism?

Women want to be human beings first and not baby machines. How appalling.

I'm a little surprised that women aren't pushing-back more on these rich, white guys telling them what to do.

I guess (5.00 / 3) (#88)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 02, 2024 at 05:07:25 PM EST

we will see at the polls in November how women feel about this.

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Yeah,I heard Theil (none / 0) (#89)
by jondee on Mon Sep 02, 2024 at 05:51:43 PM EST

errand boy Eric Weinstein the other night saying the sole purpose of post-menopausal women was to help raise children. Or else, I guess.

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: They literally (none / 0) (#90)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 03, 2024 at 09:09:05 AM EST

want Nicolae Ceaușescu's Romania. I think women were leading the pack chasing him out of office back then.

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Satire is hard these days (none / 0) (#113)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 05, 2024 at 03:53:47 PM EST

Elon Musk acquires the university formerly known as Stanford

Hope (none / 0) (#139)
by KeysDan on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 03:10:35 PM EST

Kamala brings a shark to the debate tonight. An electric battery-charged shark would be even better.

I hope the moderators ask Trump (5.00 / 1) (#142)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 03:54:29 PM EST

if he agrees with JD about Haitian immigrants eating neighborhood pets.

Kamala should probably leave that one to the moderators

JD Vance spreads racist rumor that Haitian immigrants are abducting peoples' pets and eating them in Ohio

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He went there (none / 0) (#143)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 08:09:28 PM EST

All by himself

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His evidence. (none / 0) (#144)
by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:19:25 PM EST

Some guy on TV said they ate his dog. One guy. WTF?

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: The Aurora Colorado (none / 0) (#146)
by jondee on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:39:48 PM EST

thing is bullsh*t as well.
I wonder if they'd check Trump if he said there was a Martian invasion under Biden.

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Remember the White House Corespondents Dinner (none / 0) (#140)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 03:42:07 PM EST

That started all this?
I really think it's why Trump ran.

The only thing in the world Trump would hate more than a black man making people laugh at him is a black woman making people laugh at him.

I will be surprised if that's not part of the plan.

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One clever bobblehead (none / 0) (#141)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 03:43:40 PM EST

Pointed out she has a Golden Corral Buffet of choices to hit him with.

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: How generous of ABC (5.00 / 2) (#145)
by jondee on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:28:47 PM EST

not cut off his mike and gift Trump extra time to bloviate.

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