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Harris and Trump Debate: The Three P's

What you can expect from Donald Trump tonight: More of what we always get from him: Provocation, Prevarication, Pontification.

He will provoke Kamala Harris with insults and mischaracterizations about her character, her experience and her job performance to distract her and get her to move away from discussing her position on issues. Every minute she spends addressing Trump is a minute she didn't get to spend answering the question and explaining her policy positions and planned agenda as President.

In answering questions, Trump will assert his most outlandish lies to date, about his record, elections, Democrats, Harris, and anything else his diminutive, fizzled-out brain can think of. Even Pinocchio wouldn't be able to keep up with him. Even the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz will know Trump is lying out of desperation, lack of preparedness and egotistical belief he is a better gauge of what will sell to the American public than his advisors. [More...]

Kamala will have to choose between falling into his trap of driving her off-message or figuring out a way to denigrate his remarks with a simple, non-verbal universally understood hand gesture, that in one physical move, conveys that Trump's claims are pathetically baseless and being used to disguise his lack of knowledge on important topics Americans want to hear about, and therefore not worthy of a verbal response that eats into her time. The hand signal I would use is the "five fingered salute" I would turn 90 degrees to face him directly and then give it to him and then flash a big Kamala smile and start my answer:

In England this gesture is called "cocking a snook" but no one knows how it got that name.

Kamala needs to use every minute of her time to present her policy agenda, her experience, her humility, gratefulness and love of the United States, her dedication to children and access to health care, and improving life for the middle class without fleecing the rich, and explaining with specificity rather than generalities how Trump's Administration failed when it comes to the economy, political policy, nepotism and accountability.

After prevarications, Trump will move to pontificating about his accomplishments when he had a desk in the oval office, most of which will be lies, delivered in his best P.T. Barnum voice ("there's a sucker born every minute") that much to his consternation will be reduced in the media's opinion pages tomorrow as Trump once again showing the world he is the Emporer with No Clothes.

More on Trump: You will see him tonight once again fail to answer the question asked and instead provide a planned or impromptu answer to a question that isn't even related to the question asked. His brain is so slow, that three questions later, he will decide to answer that first ignored question, as if the time slot to do so was still open.

Also keep in mind: A Trump win in November paves the ways for his talent-less, inexperienced children to pretend they are the stars of a new Dynasty and to use it as their stepping-stone to gain power over the next generation of Americans. The Trump clan, which multiplies like rabbits, will claim to bigger and better than the Kennedys. Trump's sons and daughters, daughters-in-law, and at least one son-in-law, are all waiting in the winds.

Jared's investment firm gets billions of dollars from Saudi Arabia that he uses to buy land and develop as luxury tourist properties in Serbia and Albania -- he even recently bought the largest car rental company in South Korea. Even The Trump family hangers-on want in on the power. It was just during the last few years that former Duke University golf team member Andrew Guiliani put in his name to run for Mayor of New York. His qualifications: Trump briefly gave him a job as his personal golf caddy.

As for Donald and Eric and Tiffany, they are no different than other nepo-babies, except perhaps with more emotional scars. Don't be fooled by the great cosmetic dentistry they have had. It just makes their smiles as fake as the rest of them.

I cannot stress this enough. It is not just the under-informed, rural, disaffected and marginalized discontents in this country who support Trump. It is also the billionaires and millionaires who care much more about preserving their wealth (and lifestyle) for themselves and their nepo-babies than they do about any other issue. They know Trump is unable to focus on any singular topic besides golf for more than 5 minutes; is easily manipulated by anyone with more money or power than he has; and doesn't know his a*s from his elbow, but they don't care, so long as he keeps their taxes down.

We get the government we elect. If we snooze and don't vote, we all lose. There is only one sane, rational choice for America this November. And she's not even asking to come to your house for dinner (As Oprah said about Hillary). You just have to vote for her.)

If you don't think Kamala's agenda matches your own, for example on criminal justice issues or Israel, then remember this: Supreme Court justices, federal appeals and district court judgeships and the head of ICE and Homeland Security are also picked by the President. That alone is a reason to dump Trump.

Comments inspired by or related to the debate and policy positions are welcome.

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    How. about (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:12:43 PM EST
    those trans operations we are conducting  on  illegal aliens, according to Trump.

    No matter the subject of the question, (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:37:42 PM EST
    every time he pivoted to the MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS pouring across our border.


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    Are (none / 0) (#12)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:46:48 PM EST
    these the same aliens that are eating cats?

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    Amazing how he knows (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 10:32:37 PM EST
    the crime rate stats of all those other countries.

    The Republican rule of thumb: just throw that BS out there before they can check it in real time.

    Again, ABC should've been on top of that.

    Also, Tump ended up being allowed 9 more minutes than Harris. Don't they keep track of that in real time?

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    In prison (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 12:36:58 PM EST
    Right

    Trans operations on illegal aliens in prison

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    Well, yes, if you are incarcerated by (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 01:51:08 PM EST
    the United States government, whether serving a sentence for committing a federal crime or in immigration detention awaiting proceedings or deportation, you are entitled to all necessary and appropriate medical care, regardless of citizenship or immigration status. So in that sense, the "accusation" is true.

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    The ABC (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 10:33:11 PM EST
    Moderators did a pretty good job.  They did seem to give Trump more time than allotted, but, hey, since he was digging his our grave, no need to take the shovel away.

    They did (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 07:21:15 AM EST

    "Donald Trump called for ABC News to be shut down during a rant about the way he was treated by the network during his presidential debate against Kamala Harris," the Daily Beast reports.



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    Trump got mad at the FOX guys (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:39:44 AM EST
    for saying he did a faceplant so now he says the next debate MUST be moderated by either Hannity, Ingram or Jessy Waters.

    No one else would be acceptable.

    He actually said that.  On FOX this morning.

    I don't think he wants another debate.  The Harris campaign asked for one last night.

    Like, I bet they did.

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    Phillip Bump of the Washington Post (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 11:22:26 AM EST
    Just said on MSNBC that, "Trump suggested this morning on FOX he would be open to another debate"

    What he actually said is in the previous comment.

    But for P Bump of WaPo saying you will have not debate if Ingrham, Hannity or Waters is the not moderators means you are "open to debate"

    This is your media.

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    I watch the entire thing (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:14:54 AM EST
    Which is a first for me.  I don't remember ever watching a debate from beginning to end

    Buts that's because it was amazing and actually entertaining.

    She was so artful saying what she needed to say and dropping a bait hook at the end which he snapped at every time sending him down some insane rabbit hole.

    How much time did he spend on inflation?
    When he was asked about immigration that's when he talked about eating pets.

    He couldn't even look at her.

    This is absolutely going to effect the poll numbers.

    Oh (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:18:57 AM EST
    And the hand shake

    That was brilliant,  he clearly didn't expect it.  He a germopnobe.  She had to practically corner him.

    It threw him off and he never recovered

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    I heard something (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 01:50:39 PM EST
    yes, (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by leap2 on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:12:31 PM EST
    Watch for (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:15:20 PM EST
    IMHO (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 08:34:54 PM EST
    this election is over.  Trump is done. Stick a fork in him.

    He is self immolating

    In my opinion, there was one and only one (none / 0) (#31)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 01:58:44 PM EST
    question that the debate had to generate an answer to: Would Vice President Harris present herself to viewers who were not especially familiar with her or already committed to her as someone who would make a good (enough) President of the United States. Nothing either of them had to say about issues actually mattered. (Even though, nerd that I am, that's what I care about.) Nothing Tr*mp did last night actually matters (since everyone already knows what he is like and how he talks/acts). Just what impression Harris could make. And on that, I believe she more than succeeded.

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    I think it will matter what he did (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    I think lots of people hear about his insanity but never see it.  At least not in extended format.

    Last night they saw it.  
    You couldn't look away.  It was like watching a train wreck.

    The spin is for his base.  I guess.  No (truly) undecided voter saw that said that's my guy.

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    The said (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:33:25 PM EST
    I don't really believe in "the undecided voter"

    At this point they either know and don't want to say or they just want attention and might not even vote.

    I wish the media could learn to ignore mass shootings and undecided voters.

    But if there was one they were not impressed with Trump.  IMO

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    I think it was so bad (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 05:17:48 PM EST
    It might actually change some minds.  There was some seriously crazy moments.  

    And her performance was presidential.

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    And more importantly (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 05:42:22 PM EST
    it was funny.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 07:40:10 PM EST
    I don't mean the whole horrible thing was funny.

    SHE was funny.  It's the last thing he wanted her to be.  It was very effective.

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    Update: It begins (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 08:50:59 PM EST
    It Begins:

    Update: 7:07 pm MT: Kamala pisses Trump off with her first answer. He immediately goes off topic to gangs taking over America (including Aurora, CO -- totally false). Kamala's Response: Donald Trump has no plan for you. He's more interested in defending himself than looking out for you. Trump responds Kamala doesn't have an economic plan, she has Biden's plan, which is like four lines long, or "Run, Spot, Run."

    Trump: "Kamala is a Marxist. Her father was a Marxist college professor". Memo to Kamala: Don't take the bait.

    Next question is abortion. Trump claims Democrats approve of executing babies after birth.

    People leave his rallies early because they are so bored.

    Donald Trump says America is now Venezuela on steroids. Gangs are eating the pets of Americans. Donald Trump repeats allegations. He got more votes than any other President. (Hillary got more votes than him.) There are more people in America, of course a more recent candidate will get more votes than votes in 1948.

    7:40 p.m: Kamala makes a mistake She claims Trump took bankruptcy six times. Only his companies filed for bankruptcy. His companies filed bankruptcies.

    Kamala says Trump incited a violent mob.

    He has been indicted and impeached for that incident. She brings up Charlottesville.

    No point in continuing. I agree with Donald. Trump is toast and Kamala will win in a landslide.

    Trump has imploded.


    Progressive (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 08:57:24 PM EST
    Implosion.

    This is a big deal.

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    I can't believe ABC (none / 0) (#4)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:00:35 PM EST
    let him get away with tripling-down on the election fraud BS.

    Whether he personally believes it himself is 1000% immaterial.

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    They have been (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:06:24 PM EST
    Wayyyyyy better than the last duo.

    The woman explained killing infants is illegal.

    It just slid by last time.

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    Both Did Poorly on Gaza (none / 0) (#5)
    by RickyJim on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:03:00 PM EST
    ABC should have asked if aid to Israel for offensive weapons is on the table in trying to get a cease fire.

    Ow.... my head hurts. (none / 0) (#7)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:09:06 PM EST
    What could be more fun than watching that orange idiot lie his butt off for an hour and a half.

    I hear you (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:49:47 PM EST
    my limit for him is usually less than five minutes and that's pushing it.

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    But, but, but.... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:15:14 PM EST
    THE BORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know. LOL (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 08:16:51 AM EST
    It was the answer to every question no matter what was asked.

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    They're emptying their prisons.. (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:05:08 PM EST
    they're emptying their mental institutions..

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    Of course they are emptying their (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:09:20 PM EST
    mental institutions, isn't that why we call protecting refugees from persecution "asylum"?

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    That should get more coverage (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:12:52 PM EST
    That he actually confused political asylum with insane asylums.

    He really did that.  And continues to.

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    The Venezuelan gang (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 09:23:49 PM EST
    'takeover' in Aurora amounted to something like a dozen arrests in a city of nearly 400,000.

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    She (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:17:32 PM EST
    has been very good.  Not just in her answers but in using the split screen.

    I Guess that David Faris Is Disappointed (none / 0) (#13)
    by RickyJim on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:48:58 PM EST
    I didn't know (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:09:52 AM EST
    STALE was still in business.

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    How cold be disappointed (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 09:27:29 PM EST
    in her performance when he wrote that before the debate?

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    Check out (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:58:01 PM EST
    Apparently Taylor Swift now endorses Kamala. (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 10:35:52 PM EST
    She must have watched trump's masterful performance tonight.

    Russia stooge, Dave Rubin (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:18:32 PM EST
    just warned her that she could be raped by a Venezuelan gang now.

    And Elon said he'll "give her a child." Which I guess means he and Peter Thiel have given up on having one.


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    I did not (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 08:19:10 AM EST
    watch the entire debate but watched the 1st hour. It was just a demented Trump repeating BS from his rallies. He seems to think that maga is enough for him to win. He certainly turned off all the non-maga voters out there. Kamala was just fabulous for the most part. I can't believe he even repeated the internet rumor about Haitians eating cats and dogs. ROTFLMAO.

    Sadly (none / 0) (#26)
    by jmacWA on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:59:10 AM EST
    I believe it is possible that with the way the MAGAts vote, and their location it will  be very close in the Electoral College.

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