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U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan

The Guardian has a new report on the abysmal state of U.S. prison policy in Afghanistan:

Washington likes to hold up Afghanistan as an exemplar of how a rogue regime can be replaced by democracy. Meanwhile, human-rights activists and Afghan politicians have accused the US military of placing Afghanistan at the hub of a global system of detention centres where prisoners are held incommunicado and allegedly subjected to torture. The secrecy surrounding them prevents any real independent investigation of the allegations. "The detention system in Afghanistan exists entirely outside international norms, but it is only part of a far larger and more sinister jail network that we are only now beginning to understand," Michael Posner, director of the US legal watchdog Human Rights First, told us.

The Guardian reporters traveled to Afhanistan and report first-hand. They also interviewed many former prisoner and Afghan officials:

In Kabul, Nader Nadery, of the Human Rights Commission, told us, "Afghanistan is being transformed into an enormous US jail. What we have here is a military strategy that has spawned serious human rights abuses, a system of which Afghanistan is but one part." In the past 18 months, the commission has logged more than 800 allegations of human rights abuses committed by US troops.

The Afghan government privately shares Nadery's fears. One minister, who asked not to be named, said, "Washington holds Afghanistan up to the world as a nascent democracy and yet the US military has deliberately kept us down, using our country to host a prison system that seems to be administered arbitrarily, indiscriminately and without accountability."

The reporters charge that the U.S. is planning on replacing Guantanamo with a prison system in Afghanistan that like its predecessor, until the Supreme Court intervened, is beyond the reach of American and European courts.

Since September 11 2001, one of the US's chief strategies in its "war on terror" has been to imprison anyone considered a suspect on whatever grounds. To that end it commandeered foreign jails, built cellblocks at US military bases and established covert CIA facilities that can be located almost anywhere, from an apartment block to a shipping container. The network has no visible infrastructure - no prison rolls, visitor rosters, staff lists or complaints procedures. Terror suspects are being processed in Afghanistan and in dozens of facilities in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Jordan, Egypt, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and the British island of Diego Garcia in the southern Indian Ocean. Those detained are held incommunicado, without charge or trial, and frequently shuttled between jails in covert air transports, giving rise to the recently coined US military expression "ghost detainees".

There's lots more to this important report, and I hope you'll read the whole thing. While Congress is meeting at midnight on a Sunday night to create a law to save a single life,

The floating population of "ghost detainees", according to US and UK military officials, now exceeds 10,000.

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    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#1)
    by Darryl Pearce on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 09:27:07 PM EST
    ...um, er, uh... they only "disappear" the bad guys, right? Right? A gov't of, by, and for the people... except that shadow gov't that fights anything it thinks is evil. Fudge.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#2)
    by wishful on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 09:29:16 PM EST
    Impeach Bush.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#3)
    by scarshapedstar on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 10:20:43 PM EST
    10,000. That's like abducting my entire hometown. I bet somebody would notice that. First they came for the arabs...

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#4)
    by bad Jim on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 12:35:55 AM EST
    Sure, they want to be able to detain anyone they please and torture them at will, but at least they saved Terri Schiavo. Have they demagnetized their moral compasses, or something?

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:28:47 AM EST
    This stuff is going to come back to haunt us.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:45:36 AM EST
    Ummm... has anyone heard from Fred Dawes lately? He's my "canary in the mineshaft." I figure they'll grab him right before me.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#7)
    by pigwiggle on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:57:30 AM EST
    You have got to love the Guardian, the only paper I know that would have the balls to publish OSB ’98 fatwa as an editorial(it's changed a bit, out of embarressment?), complete with a campy picture and his occupation listed as ‘engineer’. Of course their ‘report’ is going to start out with a dig at the capitalist raping of Afghanistan, and why wouldn’t it? The Guardian has about as much credibility as Il Manifesto; their objectivity is crap. Ending the story with a quote from Madison, the spin here would make O’Reilly blush.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 07:36:54 AM EST
    pig - your objectivity is crap. Anybody who criticizes the capitalist, neoliberal, procorporate dogma is biased or communist and not to be trusted. Is that about your position or did i leave something out?

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#10)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 09:08:52 AM EST
    Pigwiggle, Is your solution to the commie Guardian the same one we used on the Il Manifesto correspondent? I think you would be "horrified" at how many people around the world, who are not subject to the propaganda the US media puts out, agree with the Guardian AND Il Manifesto. Too bad they don't get their news from Faux. Then they would "think rightly", just like you!

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#11)
    by soccerdad on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 09:21:36 AM EST
    My position is simple; a story that starts with an anticapital bent
    Does this mean all anticapitalist comments are therefore communists? Pig you've obviously bought the neo-liberal koolaid. Your response is based solely on your prejudice and is not based on fact. Its I don't like the message so I'll slander the messenger. I believe OBL's comments should be put out front so there is no mistaking what he is talking about, as opposed to believing the neocon's self-serving interpretation of what he said. Making his comments available is in no way approval, but it is certainly newsworthy

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#12)
    by pigwiggle on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 09:57:59 AM EST
    Che- “Is your solution to the commie Guardian the same one we used on the Il Manifesto correspondent?” Trite; my solution is too take the Guardian with a mountain of salt. Suggesting I favor state sponsored murder of dissenting journalist does well for your credibility; again, trite and small. “I think you would be "horrified" at how many people around the world, who are not subject to the propaganda the US media puts out, agree with the Guardian AND Il Manifesto.” If it were objective why would anyone ‘agree’? My point in spades; so much spin, your worldview codified in print. “Too bad they don't get their news from Faux. Then they would "think rightly", just like you!” I take the news wires; AP, Routers, Xinhua etc., even the Islamic Republic wire. I read the NYT, BBC, a host of right and left wing pubs, even the Guardian. And I am critical, especially when a story seems to fit my worldview a little to well; it’s critical thought, try it out.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#13)
    by pigwiggle on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 10:00:23 AM EST
    SD- “Does this mean all anticapitalist comments are therefore communists?” Really, where the h*ll are you all getting this commie stuff? “Its I don't like the message so I'll slander the messenger.” I think it likely the gist of the story is true. I will however wait for some independent verification from a credible source. “Making his comments available is in no way approval, but it is certainly newsworthy” I agree, but putting his fatwa in the comment section is bizarre, as if it were just another column from some regular; an open letter to the United States of America, O. Laden, engineer. “Pig you've obviously bought the neo-liberal koolaid. Your response is based solely on your prejudice and is not based on fact.” I need some help here; what the f**k is neo-liberal koolaid? Lets all hold off the, to be generous, more than overused and not so clever koolaid line. If you have a point, bust out with it.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 10:08:03 AM EST
    Pig -- what is your proof that "The Guardian has about as much credibility as Il Manifesto." From what I've read, the Guardian seems slightly anti-authority -- no matter who is in authority. President Bush is a baby killer, a murderer, and a torture supporter. The evidence out of Iraq and Afghanistan for my aforementioned claims continues to mount ... BTW, I don't want any crusty-old right-winger telling me that when I "grow up" into adulthood my lil' patriotic soul might be saved (::cough:: -- Jim). I mean, you have the right to be stupid, but using the logical fallacy of ad hominem assertions (instead of grasping the ideas) just makes you look like a desperate wingnut ... ;-) BTW2, I live in America, I enjoy some aspects of America; however, that does not mean: I like America. I see the lack of social services for the poor, the foreign policy that reeks of a crusading "Jesus-powered" empire on the verge of total collapse. Pathetic. Our nation is truly pathetic. We are the incarnation of the double standard. Blah, blah, blah...

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 10:09:37 AM EST
    Btw3, Impeach Bush.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#16)
    by soccerdad on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 10:35:48 AM EST
    I think it likely the gist of the story is true. I will however wait for some independent verification from a credible source.
    then where does your rant that this is not a credible paper come from? All stories should be confirmed.
    I agree, but putting his fatwa in the comment section is bizarre, as if it were just another column from some regular;
    A wierd position, where did you want them to put it, on the sports page?
    I need some help here; what the f**k is neo-liberal koolaid?
    is it the koolaid concept or the neo-liberal economic theory you don't understand? I don't pretend the koolaid line is clever but it might be appropiate. Go look up neo-liberal economic theory

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#17)
    by pigwiggle on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 10:36:58 AM EST
    “Blah, blah, blah...” Indeed, I couldn’t have summed it better.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 11:13:10 AM EST
    Read a report about our prison system. I like that one Global system? can we say one world government, of the rich by the powerful? against the poor and young and old and helpless of all races on earth, yes fun days are coming.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 09:33:41 PM EST
    I left myself open for that. ;-)

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 22, 2005 at 05:47:33 AM EST
    All well said, poet.

    Re: U.S. Prison Policy in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 25, 2005 at 09:51:19 AM EST
    "Liberal Kool-aid" is just the latest neocon slogan put out by their Puppet Masters. It's catchy & it doesn't make sense so they love it. Like all their slogans, it accusses liberals of being out of touch with reality when the truth is, they are.