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Pins and Needles, Open Thread

Update: This just in from Mark Corallo:

Nothing going on. I was told by several journalists who were down at the courthouse that the Grand Jury was not meeting today. Of course, the GJ may be meeting at the undisclosed location (as VP Cheney is out of town and not using it today...)

Thanks, Mark!

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original post:

Okay, I don't think Karl Rove is on pins and needles any more. He obviously knows if there has been or will be action today. If the answer is "no," he's breathing a temporary sigh of relief. So he's leaving the hot seat on the pincushion. The rest of us are still on it.

But, there's no news. We've already speculated on just about every possible outcome, so how about a thread to talk about things unrelated to Rove to take our mind off the waiting. I'm headed to the gym for a boxing lesson. Then I'm going to finish my seminar outline on Terrorism and the War on Drugs that's due today for the NORML Aspen Legal seminar June 1-3.

Tell us what you're doing to pass the time -- or talk about other news and issues, your choice.

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    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 10:50:45 AM EST
    Soduko.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 10:56:49 AM EST
    im planning a shelter to hide in the event of noo-cue-ler proliferations. and terrorists with drugs.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by roy on Fri May 19, 2006 at 11:03:37 AM EST
    Hitting "refresh", hoping somebody will say something contentious.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by scribe on Fri May 19, 2006 at 11:07:51 AM EST
    The sun has come out and my roses are blooming. In my tiny city garden, I have a bench under the small leafy bower formed by a climbing rosebush, where I can sit in the green shade and ponder the meaning of life, immersed in the fragrance of roses. Speaking of boxing, one of my sergeants had been a boxing champion. He gave all his lieutenants lessons in boxing and barfighting, two separate disciplines. It's a good way to take out tension, neither better nor worse than sitting under the roses. Each has their place and utility.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Fri May 19, 2006 at 11:09:02 AM EST
    From TPM Muckraker
    Slammed in the press by federal investigators for failing to cooperate with multiple corruption inquiries, former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA), now in federal prison, has consented to begin helping prosecutors, his lawyer says. (North County Times)
    This should be interesting.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 11:09:15 AM EST
    Are we there yet! I really really got to go! There's a rest stop ahead, lets pull over. Please! Boy, this is some wild ride! I just can't wait till I know where it's we'll end up. Are we there yet?!

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 11:46:19 AM EST
    What am I doing? I'm looking up lasagne recipes online, also working on a limerick that will knock raulduke's socks off. At this point I just need to polish a few syllables and find a new rhyme for "socks off" that does not involve: a.)prurience b.)cruelty to animals

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 12:00:04 PM EST
    omigawd! i'm goggling rhyming dictionaries and riffing on words that rhyme with "off." thanks for the diversion!

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 12:03:22 PM EST
    . . . while refreshing doj/ocs, fdl, tl, and other site in sequence, of course.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by desertswine on Fri May 19, 2006 at 12:47:55 PM EST
    First Clarabell and now Rolling Rock; RIP.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri May 19, 2006 at 01:12:08 PM EST
    Off to the Caribbean tomorrow for a vacation with purpose. My father passed away a year ago, and put me in charge of his last wishes...which was that his final cremated remains be spread anywhere but US soil. My father was sickened by what his beloved country had become in the last 50 years. He always told me..."This isn't what my father fought for." Seeing as the Caribbean was his favorite locale on earth, me and the fam saved up some cash in the past year to make this trip to fulfill his wishes. For you Pops...the greatest man I've ever known. Prison didn't break him, 50 years toiling in machine shops didn't break him, beatings in police station back-rooms didn't break him...I'll try not to let 'em break me and live up to your code. Much love and respect.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 01:23:09 PM EST
    kdog, your dad sounds like my kind of guy...have a great trip. When my dad died a few years ago, he wanted his ashes scattered in the Long Island sound -- his best times were on a small cabin cruiser that slept four that he and my mother had docked in New Rochelle when I was a kid. Tons of extended weekends were spent taking the boat into the Atlantic from the Sound. It's where I learned to swim. My mother has asked for the same when it's her time.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri May 19, 2006 at 01:33:09 PM EST
    Thanks JM...you and the work you do represented the America he believed in. In his last months when I'd visit him, I'd often share news and ideas I saw right here on your site. I'd bet he would have loved Talkleft if I could have gotten him to use a computer...but that wasn't his style. His "talkleft" was the corner pub.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Peaches on Fri May 19, 2006 at 02:02:19 PM EST
    Kdog, For your Pops,
    How Is Your Heart? by Charles Bukowski during my worst times on the park benches in the jails or living with whores I always had this certain contentment- I wouldn't call it happiness- it was more of an inner balance that settled for whatever was occuring and it helped in the factories and when relationships went wrong with the girls. it helped through the wars and the hangovers the backalley fights the hospitals. to awaken in a cheap room in a strange city and pull up the shade- this was the craziest kind of contentment and to walk across the floor to an old dresser with a cracked mirror- see myself, ugly, grinning at it all. what matters most is how well you walk through the fire.
    It sounds like your pop learned how to walk through the fire as well.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by Dadler on Fri May 19, 2006 at 02:29:11 PM EST
    On the lighter and infinitely more shallow side... Britney Spears trips over her own jeans, almost drops her baby...now THAT'S news. But seriously, they need to encase this baby in Tempur-Pedic foam. Falling off the high chair and cracking his skull, speeding off from the paparazzi in Mommy's lap...hell, K-Fed's bound to just come home stoned one night and SIT on the kid by mistake. Forget banning polygamy, I'd settle for a ban on has-been celebrity breeding. Have a good weekend, y'all.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Dadler on Fri May 19, 2006 at 02:32:20 PM EST
    Here's to yer pops, K-dog. Enjoy the islands, enjoy the contentment of knowing you're giving him the last thing he really wanted. Let him drift somewhere new, perhaps he's already reincarnated there. You never know. Peace and travel safely, my friend.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by Dadler on Fri May 19, 2006 at 02:34:57 PM EST
    Peaches, Classic Bukowski chop, good call. You ever read Bukowski's introduction to the Black Sparrow Press edition of John Fante's ASK THE DUST? You'd love it if you don't already.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 04:38:51 PM EST
    Dee-troit basketballllll . . . this Friday night. Finally the sun has come back out in Michigan. Now to get the temps up to May-like levels. Have a great weekend, everyone. And pls. support John Conyers!

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by BigTex on Fri May 19, 2006 at 05:01:35 PM EST
    Bon Voyage Kdog. Senator Tim Johnson is a prime example of why Congress needs to stay out of the way of FEMA. He wants FEMA to use the trailers left over from the Katrina purchase to go to "American Indian houseing." What does he suggest be done in the case of another major hurricane hit, a wildfire racing through a city, a tornado leveling neighborhoods? Nothing, rather he critized FEMA for overpurchasing and complains that the taxpayers will be hit with maintence costs. This is a complete lack of foresight and pettiness. He would be at the front of the line complaining about FEMA response if one of the disasters above happened. If he wants to have housing, he shoule proffer a bill that will purchase trailors to give to American Indians, but he, and the rest of Congress who apparantly have no clue about how to handle a natural disaster, need to stay out of areas they don't know, or stop complaining. Preferablly both.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by squeaky on Fri May 19, 2006 at 05:26:47 PM EST
    There is a great review of the "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy," by professors John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt, by Michael Massing in the NYRB. The essay was published in the March 23, 2006, issue of the London Review of Book and has drawn a hailstorm of controversy. Any critisism of Israeli policies by politiicians or public figures has led to substantial headaches at best or political death at worst.
    ..... says one Hill staffer, "We can count on well over half the House--250 to 300 members--to do reflexively whatever AIPAC wants." What AIPAC wants can be summed up very succinctly: a powerful Israel free to occupy the territory it chooses; enfeebled Palestinians; and unquestioning support for Israel by the United States. AIPAC is skeptical of negotiations and peace accords, along with the efforts by Israeli doves, the Palestinians, and Americans to promote them.
    Massig while somewhat critical of the essay's mistakes and sometimes incomplete arguments, welcomes the piece and encourages debate regarding AIPAC, Israel and US policy, a debate sorely missing in America. Well worth a read. NYRB

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Fri May 19, 2006 at 05:54:30 PM EST
    Here is the PDF of the Mearsheimer and Walt essay The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy from Harvard's Faculty Research Working Paper Series.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Fri May 19, 2006 at 06:02:06 PM EST
    If you need Rove relief the revised essay cited above is online at The London Review of Books Guaranteed to take your mind off Rove.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#24)
    by BigTex on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:17:56 PM EST
    and mop up the floor with a certain Texas plaigarista.
    plagiarism - a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work
    Oscar asked what I would do. I answered. He didn't ask for original ideas, he only asked what I would to in the situaion. The question wasn't phrased in wanting original answers, so answering it doesn't lead to the apperance of taking credit for someone else's idea. I never said the idea was an original idea, nor did I take credit for the idea as being my own. This is missing the intent to or actual fact of presenting the idea as my own. When questioned about it I unequiviocablly stated that the idea wasn't my own. No attempt to take credit for the idea at any point. No intellectual dishonesty here of any flavor.
    that is, until he ran afoul of someone who would rather be right than happy.
    Oscar was unhappy because he didn't want to answer the direct question posed to him because he knew he was wrong. Even then I let the issue go, attempting to be peacable, but he brought the subject back up in a new thread. He insisted in keeping this fight going and smearing my name, as you do now. I will not sit back and allow that to happen without defending myself.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:20:43 PM EST
    For raulduke (and Oscar Wilde): Poor Karl looks so pallid and edgy His speech seems both cautious and hedgy But it's sure to get worse He'll howl and he'll curse When Fitz gives the fat boy a wedgie.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri May 19, 2006 at 10:05:37 PM EST
    brava, good emdee. we should all get a tug, then, shouldn't we? a proper gang-wedgie of the Noo-Cular variety (as they say in Texas). stay tuned. i feel a good BBQ is in the offing. sloppy scholarship is on the menu, with a side of obfuscation, and a heapin' helpin' of tertium non datur. lest i contradict myself, i have a few threads to gather. enjoyed your lines...may your lasagna be rendered as carefully and delicious as your prose. cheers, raoulduke (presently raulduke by some mystical typo)

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#27)
    by Dusty on Fri May 19, 2006 at 11:22:57 PM EST
    I was wondering about TL's take on the 20 count indictment of Milberg Weiss and the two senior partners. The charges read like indictments brought against mobsters, not one of the biggest securities law firms in existance.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 20, 2006 at 07:13:54 AM EST
    Big Tex - What you fail to understand is that being from a Red State means that you are not supposed to be able to point out Oscar's lack of a specific question, and then stay on point as he tried to wiggle. Shame on you ! ;-)

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 20, 2006 at 07:14:56 AM EST
    kdog - Regrets for your loss.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#30)
    by squeaky on Sat May 20, 2006 at 08:03:04 AM EST
    Our beloved MSM in action. What would we do without them?
    ....."Israel must be wiped off the map." No such idiom exists in Persian, and Ahmadinejad actually just quoted an old speech of Khomeini in which he said "The occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." ..... I had a very disturbing short email correspondence with a reporter of a major national newspaper who used the inaccurate "wiped off the face of the map" quote. When challenged, he said it was "carried by the news wires and is well known" or words to that effect. I pointed out that the "quote" was attributed to a specific speech and that the statement was inaccurately translated. When challenged further he alleged that his trusted translator in Tehran affirmed that Ahmadinejad had said the phrase. When that was challenged, he reported that the translator said that anyway he had said something like it. When I pointed out that the translator was either lying or lazy, the reporter took offense that I had insulted a trusted colleague! I conclude that this reporter is attached to the phrase. He complained about being challenged by "bloggers" and said he was tempted to stop reading "blogs."
    Juan Cole

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edger on Sat May 20, 2006 at 08:27:02 AM EST
    Our beloved MSM in action. What would we do without them? Well.. for one thing we'd all have much more interesting lives and conversations, since without the MSM having become what it has become over the past six years there would be many more people around still able to think instead of running around saying things like 'repeat after me'. ;->

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#32)
    by desertswine on Sat May 20, 2006 at 01:11:43 PM EST
    McCain takes a shot to the gut. He deserves no better.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 20, 2006 at 02:51:21 PM EST
    Squeaky quotes:
    Israel must be wiped off the map." No such idiom exists in Persian, and Ahmadinejad actually just quoted an old speech of Khomeini in which he said "The occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." .....
    Well, if he quoted it it must be understood that, if he didn't disavow it, he agrees with it. And I don't think you can show me where he disavowed it. I would also like to see you, or Cole, explain how Israel could vanish from the page of time without being wiped off the face of the maps????

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Sat May 20, 2006 at 02:59:20 PM EST
    Most of the people in the world would just gladly settle for all chickenhawk warmongers being wiped off the map.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Sat May 20, 2006 at 03:03:22 PM EST
    desertwine-How great that must have of been. I particularly liked when student speaker, Jean Sara Rohe, 21 deconstructed his pathetic rhetoric.
    "Senator McCain will tell us today that dissent and disagreement are our civic and moral obligation in times of crisis, and I agree," she said. "I consider this a time of crisis, and I feel obligated to speak." She continued, "Senator McCain will also tell us about his strong-headed self-assuredness in his youth, which prevented him from hearing the ideas of others, and in so doing he will imply that those of us who are young are too naïve to have valid opinions. "I am young, and although I don't profess to possess the wisdom that time affords us, I do know that pre-emptive war is dangerous and wrong," she said.
    FDL ouch!

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#36)
    by desertswine on Sat May 20, 2006 at 05:11:48 PM EST
    Squeaky - That nauseating picture of McCain with his head on bush's shoulder like a bad widdle boy will come back to haunt him many times in the future. It certainly belongs in the "Rotten Politician Hall of Fame" along with Calvin Coolidge in an Indian headress and Nixon waving his last goodbye with arms upraised while boarding his helicopter.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 20, 2006 at 06:20:35 PM EST
    Squeaky quotes 21 year old Jean Sara Rohe:
    "I am young, and although I don't profess to possess the wisdom that time affords us, I do know that pre-emptive war is dangerous and wrong," she said.
    Miss Roe seems to suffer from a lack of historical knowledge. I wonder if she has ever heard of Chamberlain and "peace in our time?" Obviously not. And yes, she is naive.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Sat May 20, 2006 at 06:28:04 PM EST
    Typical ppj, Take a sentence out of context and make a bogus case. Pathetic.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#39)
    by squeaky on Sat May 20, 2006 at 06:46:15 PM EST
    Here is more from Jean Sara Rohe. More human and insightful than anything coming from ppj. She is blogging at HuffPo about her speech.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#40)
    by desertswine on Sat May 20, 2006 at 07:48:49 PM EST
    I hope that other people found strength in my act of protest and will one day find themselves in my position, drawing out their own bravery to speak truth.
    - Jean Sara Rohe You bet!

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat May 20, 2006 at 07:52:35 PM EST
    Gee, PPJ, you can tell what a person does and doesn't know about history just from a few things they say. If she came from a red state, I would have to say that she probably didn't get that good an education all around, is that what really tipped you off, PPJ?

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Sat May 20, 2006 at 08:12:56 PM EST
    She also obviously hasnt heard of Batman and the Joker. Jim's still trying to figure out why Batman didnt fight for us in WWII.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#43)
    by squeaky on Sat May 20, 2006 at 08:33:07 PM EST
    She also obviously hasnt heard of Batman and the Joker....
    Very funny, I just got it.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat May 20, 2006 at 08:55:32 PM EST
    "I teach you the Superman. The Batman you must learn for yourself."

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 21, 2006 at 08:38:13 AM EST
    Squeaky - Typical Squeaky. Someone writes something and when it is quoted, it is always "out of context." Look. The quote is from a comment by you that is about 7 inches above mine, and is a complete copy of the last paragraph. Your complaint is without merit. A not unusual situation in your case. Of course, if you wanted context, you would have quoted the lead paragraph.
    Noting that Mr. McCain had promised to give the same speech at all of his graduation appearances, Ms. Rohe, who was one of two students selected to speak by university deans, attacked his remarks even before he delivered them.
    desertswine - And what truth did she speak? And what "bravery" does she refer to? Were there police there ready to arrest her? No. Were there people there ready to physically attack her? No. In fact she has apparently reaped a great deal of recognition and applause from her peers. I must confess that, in a wasted effort on my part, I grow weary listening to the Left pat themselves on the back for "bravery" when they have done nothing that involved any risk, or for that matter, any "bravery" In fact, she was given a forum by the institution to make her remarks. How daring. Indeed, I am reminded of Doolittle's bombing raid on Tokyo, or the battle for Cemetary Ridge. Dark Avenger - As usual your insightful analysis has reduced me to tears... from laughter. Et al - My comment referenced Chamberlain and the run up to WWII. We know that if France had responded to Germany's first move, Hitler had advised his Generals to pull back. Now you may argue that a pre-emptive strike in Iraq was bad, but when you make an all inclusive statement that all pre-emptive wars are bad you demonstrate a large lack of historical knowledge and no small amount of bias about the subject.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun May 21, 2006 at 11:05:22 AM EST
    As usual your insightful analysis has reduced me to tears... from laughter. Yes, PPJ, you remind me of another clown who laughs and cries: Laugh at the pain which poisons your heart. Link My comment referenced Chamberlain and the run up to WWII. We know that if France had responded to Germany's first move, Hitler had advised his Generals to pull back And if wishes were horses, all would ride. when you make an all inclusive statement that all pre-emptive wars are bad you demonstrate a large lack of historical knowledge and no small amount of bias about the subject. I do know that pre-emptive war is dangerous and wrong PPJ, in using the word wrong, I think she's using it the way a Quaker would say that it was wrong: Not that it doesn't work, but that it's immoral. If you think that one cannot come to that conclusion even with an extensive knowledge of the history of warfare, it merely shows that you're just engaging in what is known as 'poisoning the well' here, as you always postulate a lack of knowledge one of the factors in why someone is 'wrong'. Now, it is true that an analysis of history shows examples where preemptive war was successful, so to say that it is wrong in the sense that it's an unworkable or unusable tactic 100% of the time is wrong. It seems to me that she's correct in saying that preemptive war is dangerous is common sense, and you gloss over the fact that the current malAdminstration is setting up to be like this fellow here:
    Dudley Moore: Yes, indeed. Do you feel you've learnt by your mistakes here?

    Peter Cook: I think I have, yes, and I think I can probably repeat them almost perfectly. I know my mistakes inside out.

    Link

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#47)
    by squeaky on Sun May 21, 2006 at 11:24:27 AM EST
    Miss Roe seems to suffer from a lack of historical knowledge. I wonder if she has ever heard of Chamberlain and "peace in our time?"
    This amounts to a non sequitur, an attempt to wrench Rohe's comment out of context in an attempt to discredit her. The context of the remark was to show how McCain used a insincere rhetorical device. First, in order to win the students he tells them that dissent is american as apple pie and they should feel free to protest.
    Senator McCain will tell us today that dissent and disagreement are our civic and moral obligation in times of crisis
    Next he tells them that they are too young to know what they are doing.
    "Senator McCain will also tell us about his strong-headed self-assuredness in his youth, which prevented him from hearing the ideas of others, and in so doing he will imply that those of us who are young are too naïve to have valid opinions.
    In other words shut up and listen to daddy. She cuts right through his pandering BS. McCain's ploy is right out of the RNC playbook. I am not surprised to see ppj defend his tricks as it is one of ppj's favorite. Usually ppj skips the first part and jumps to the second. Classic ppj is that only those who have been in the service can make a valid point about the Iraq war, like his own claims. Bush or Cheney are excluded from this rule, because, well hmmmm, can't really say that I can follow ppj's fantasy here.
    Noting that Mr. McCain had promised to give the same speech at all of his graduation appearances, Ms. Rohe, who was one of two students selected to speak by university deans, attacked his remarks even before he delivered them.
    Canned speech, very cost effective. He deserved what he got. You are right 'this says it all'. He must be used to people being asleep. This time he got caught.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#48)
    by glanton on Sun May 21, 2006 at 11:39:33 AM EST
    Re Rohe's exposure of McCain's typically callow strategy, good for her. But for me, after reading through all of these comments and links, the most important line is when Rohe quotes McCain's famous refrain:
    As Americans we have nothing to fear from one another
    That is the biggest lie of all.

    Re: Pins and Needles, Open Thread (none / 0) (#49)
    by glanton on Sun May 21, 2006 at 11:44:24 AM EST
    Oops, wasn't finished. Rohe follows McCain's little soundbite with:
    I agree strongly with this, but I take it one step further....
    And then goes on to speak about global consciousness, the ignorance of fear, etc. But on a domestic level, Rohe couldn't be more wrong in her agreement with McCain. Corporate hegemony on the one hand, and religious lunatics conducting witch hunts on the other: THAT'S Uhmerrikahhns, and they are to be feared by those of us who don't identify with them.