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    Obama saying "no" to New Yorker? (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by stefystef on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:18:48 PM EST
    Oh, you don't mess with the savior without getting some backlash:
    http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/07/21/lizza/print.html
    "So it's gonna be like that, is it? Retribution for unfavourable coverage is a chilling thing to contemplate," wrote Huffington Post media blogger Rachel Sklar.

    Revenge is a dish best served cold... with some couscous LOL

    Ancient Chinese saying (4.50 / 2) (#4)
    by misspeach2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:24:25 PM EST
    "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

    Obama may regret leaving the reporter from the New Yorker behind.

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    What are they going (none / 0) (#116)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:32:24 PM EST
    to do, fire Seymour Hersch in order to put a better spin on McSame's war?

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    Civilian National Security Force (5.00 / 0) (#131)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:23:55 PM EST
    I know what is happening in the Middle East, and I certainly don't like it, but I have no reason to believe Obama will live up to his withdrawal plans.

    What is this add-on military force Obama wants on the domestic front, though? His campaign failed to include his statement about this in the written transcript on his site, but they couldn't get it removed from the video of him saying it, which is all over the internet.

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    I made some couscous the other day... (4.00 / 1) (#14)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:30:38 PM EST
    with pinot g and chicken broth...and some feta mix I got at the grocery store.

    It was very yummy.

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    I wouldn't want to be S.I. Newhouse (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:25:08 PM EST
    if Obama's elected.  Not only is the New Yorker already on the crap list b/c of the "joke" cover, but his newspapers have started beating the terrorists are gonna get you drum, in anticipation of the big, Fall Election Terra Special Fright Editions.

    He and, more importantly, his publications are showing themselves as deeply in the Republican bag, and they are not so big a media conglomerate that a pol picking a fight (or returning one) with them has to worry seriously about losing.

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    Yes Newhouse must be worried. I am (none / 0) (#28)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:39:51 PM EST
    sure he is looking on obama's smear site right now...

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    I noticed this at Raw Story... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:20:47 PM EST
    people in the Bush administration who resisted torture were afraid of wiretapping and physical retaliation from Dick Cheney's thugs.

    Physical retaliation (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by CST on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:24:40 PM EST
    Like being shot in the eye?

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    And having to apologize (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:25:32 PM EST
    for getting in the way, don't forget.

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    You mean the face? (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:25:33 PM EST
    Let's just say, I'll bet none of them signed up to go hunting with Dick after that. ;-)

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    Why dontcha go read up on his (none / 0) (#31)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:41:12 PM EST
    "accident" and especially the math behind the conclusion that Deadeye Dick nearly blew that old man's head off.

    If nothing else, it's a productive memory-refresher.

    And also a reason why Goldsmith, et als. were looking over their shoulders.

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    You think I need refreshing on that? (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:46:48 PM EST
    LOL!

    What a strange impression you must have of me.

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    Yeh, duh. Madam, your comment (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Cream City on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:48:08 PM EST
    cracked me up.  Thanks for a laff needed today!

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    Not that you'd forgotten the incident, (none / 0) (#74)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:04:37 PM EST
    but rather for a look back at just how egregious it truly was.

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    NYT rejects McCain's Iraq essay; (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by jtaylorr on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:30:40 PM EST
    suggests McCain submit piece that mirrors Obama's.

    Sorry but that's just ridiculous.... (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:33:19 PM EST
    aren't they supposed to be informing us about the candidates and their policies?!

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    It's not as ridiculous as it might seem - (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:13:14 PM EST
    for example, with letters to the editor, they will (and have for many, many years) called the authors back and asked them for permission to excerpt the letters, or use only parts, or change a few things.

    Sometimes it's space considerations, sometimes defamation law considerations, and sometimes editorial/publisher considerations.

    Of course, if the LTE author says "no", the NYT says "thank you" and goes on to use a different LTE (or none at all) that more accurately reflects the publisher's perception of what should be in the LTE column on any particular day.  It's not an open forum nor is it turned over to the public without restraint, never has been, and never will be.  

    So, when you read the LTE in the NYT (and any other paper, for that matter) remember that what you are seeing is a fractional sampling of opinion as rigorously edited and shaped as on any other page of the paper.

    The same goes for Op-Ed pieces, only moreso.  In this case, it appears that McCain and his campaign were putting out flagrantly false statements in their proposed op-ed that not even the NYT could stomach.  Thus, they kicked back the proposed op-ed and told Camp McSame to fix their errors.  Rather than do that, McSame started whining.

    Of course, the NYT is a great fund-raising bogeyman of the uninformed Right, though anyone with a brain knows that, as the Paper of Record, it is really the Paper of The Establishment, and its editorial and publishing policies reflect that.

    When, forty years ago, the Establishment was somewhat more liberal than it is today, the Times was.  The treatment and defense Judy Miller got should tell you all you need to know about how liberal and full of integrity the NYT is today.

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    I stopped subscribing to the Times (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:18:14 PM EST
    in 1994. So I've never bought the rightwing line about that paper.

    In any case, the Times publishes blatant lies every day. This was a clear case of censorship on their part.

    I wonder what Somersby will make of this?

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    All it is is (none / 0) (#119)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:45:24 PM EST
    an indication of how far off the deep end the hard right really is: basically ANY critical, objective examination of the actions of the regime is treasonous --- "in this time of national peril."

    A paper like the Times would be considered moderate to conservative in most European countries, IMO.

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    I heard about that... (5.00 / 0) (#22)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:34:55 PM EST
    and I think it's foolish.

    But it certainly makes the narrative appear so incredibly...obvious.


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    The NYT now is officially (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by Cream City on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:37:59 PM EST
    leading the way in the disgrace that is journalism today.  That's what I thought when I saw that story.

    I look forward to discussing it with ex-journalist and media critic spouse.  

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    Leading? (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:42:57 PM EST
    I thought it was already there what with Judy and her fictional accounts of "curveball" and all that?

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    Kredwyn, yes -- but I see this as even worse (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Cream City on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:46:52 PM EST
    than filtering its own news products, as there always can be "outs" about budget, staff ability, etc., especially in these economic times for newspapers.

    But now it is not only a biased news filter but even is filtering out words handed to it by a senior Senator and potential President?  It's beyond appalling.

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    Well there is that ;-P (5.00 / 0) (#64)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:57:54 PM EST
    great for McCain (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Paprika on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:43:38 PM EST
    This is the best thing that could have happened for him. With the glowing press reviews of Obama's trip contrasted with this, it's exactly the narrative McCain wants.

    Rejecting that piece will do more for McCains message than if they'd run in. Now everyone wants to read the "censored" article and it's a bigger deal than it would have been and it gets McCain into the headlines and gets the pundits going.

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    You and Florida Resident (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:49:02 PM EST
    are scaring me. I hadn't even thought of it that way!

    Well, the Times DID endorse McCain...honestly, I can't figure anything out any more.

    My entire world has turned upside down this election cycle.

    Sigh.

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    true ... (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Paprika on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:06:24 PM EST
    They endorsed him among the Republican field. I think that's as far as that goes.  

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    NYT Also Endorsed Hillary Clinton n/t (none / 0) (#122)
    by daring grace on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:00:00 PM EST
    In one sense this could help (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:43:02 PM EST
    McBush with the Republican base.  To them if the "Liberal" NYT is afraid of his words then they must be true.  It could also put an essay that may just gotten lost in the opinion page front and center in the news and commentaries specially in the right wing media outlets.

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    So far Obama's trip. . . (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:35:34 PM EST
    seems to be a smash success.  It's been a series of Obama as CinC photos on the Times website, for instance -- Obama meets Karzai, Obama inspects the troops with Petraeus, etc.

    Of course, I don't expect my analysis to find a lot of agreement here.  Let the sniping begin!  And don't lose hope -- there's still time left for him to blow it somehow.

    Not sniping... (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:38:00 PM EST
    but I don't see the point of this trip. Europeans like Obama? I'm happy for them, but who cares? Are they voting in this election?

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    Points are. . . (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:47:03 PM EST
    1. Obama appears Presidential.

    2. Obama is shown to have a serious grasp of international affairs.

    3. Obama, and by extension America, will be popular again.

    The trip is obviously designed to provide images that establish these ideas.

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    Methinks the "appearing" presidential (5.00 / 6) (#53)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:50:42 PM EST
    ...stuff is overrated. But other than that, I agree.

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    I don't think it is. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:52:51 PM EST
    It's important to "appear Presidential" and to get people comfortable with the idea that Obama will be dealing with foreign leaders.  I think the images coming out of this trip will be dynamite for him.

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    I want someone to actually "be" (5.00 / 5) (#61)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:56:30 PM EST
    presidential material rather than just "look" the part.

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    It's only possible. . . (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:00:57 PM EST
    to measure someone is Presidential material in retrospect.  So before the election, it's all about appearances.

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    disagree... (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:03:35 PM EST
    just as applying for any job, there are a variety of indicators that suggest what we can expect from the applicant.

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    Such as experience and (5.00 / 4) (#84)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:12:48 PM EST
    a good resume?

    ;-)

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    I just can't get behind a construct... (5.00 / 4) (#80)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:08:01 PM EST
    ...that is so shallow-- i.e, great visuals. Its one of the reasons why I think politics sucks.

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    LOL, Maria (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:36:41 PM EST
    One of my new least favorite words is 'optics'. Speaking of shallow.

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    Of course it's shallow (none / 0) (#132)
    by shoephone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:54:35 PM EST
    Photo ops always are. The savvy activists can see right through it but frankly, I agree with LarryinNYC on this one. I don't see any downside for Obama with the Middle East trip. There may be a downside later when he is, characteristically, shaky without his prepared scripts (such as in a debate) but for now... the photos and the media coverage make him appear to be a serious and stable person -- unlike McCain, who lately sounds both doddering and desperate.

    The only thing that subverts the glorious photo ops are his interview performances. I wasn't at all impressed by his interview with Lara Logan and he was dog-awful last week with Gwen Ifill. But most of the people who glance at the front page of the newspaper at their local Starbuck's are not necessarily the same folks sitting in one place for a twenty minute piece on the PBS News Hour.

    Just my two cents.

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    It's wayyy Banana Republican too, just shy of ... (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by Ellie on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:54:21 PM EST
    ... dictators prancing around in military drag or, dare I say it, defenders of democracy in flyboy hoochie-gear that makes the man-crazy codpiece fans in the media all howl at once.

    That stunt Obama tried to pull using the Brandenburg Gate as a "backdrop" was unbelievably offensive, given the difference between Euro and US expenerience in devastation to society and land from WWII.

    Not that people from, well, the WORLD didn't pay and pay dearly in blood and pain, but jeez for a presumptive nominee and not a head of state to trivialize it into a freakin BACKDROP at a photo-op is about as Bush League (pi) as it gets.

    I passed over a couple of "defenses" of Obama's cheesiness based on the ever-classy 'well, GWB did it too' line.

    Why yes, let's lower Obama's NEW POLITICS standard even more than the previous justifcation of his lying using the 'well Sen Clinton AKA The CLintons did it' defense.

    Indeed, let's sell Obama around the world as having, at the very least, BUSH's standards of insensitivity to the anguish of decades of regional strife(s).

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    These points only apply (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:54:19 PM EST
    if you think it is appropriate for a candidate, who has not even won the nomination, to go over to Europe and Iraq accompanied by an entourage of sycophantic media outlets.

    By the way, Americans are onto the media.

    I don't know if all this hoopla will help Obama or not, but I think it's a bit too early to call the trip a success.

    I have to say, the "Obama is a shoo-in" attitude here scares the h&ll out of me. I felt the same way about John Kerry in 2004, and I was so devastated that I couldn't go to work the next day.

    All I'm saying is, I hope you all realize that it is possible for Obama to lose.

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    That's right boys and girls, (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by TheJoker on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:02:23 PM EST
    don't underestimate humanity's inner thirst for chaos against their better angels (remember 2004?). McCain still has a shot. LOL!

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    See. . . (none / 0) (#65)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:59:47 PM EST
    These points only apply if you think it is appropriate for a candidate, who has not even won the nomination, to go over to Europe and Iraq accompanied by an entourage of sycophantic media outlets.

    Told you there'd be sniping! :-)

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    And you are surprised? Maybe you will (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:05:03 PM EST
    remember the constant sniping whenever anything complimentary was posted about Hillary...not nearly as ugly as HuffPo or DKos, but done regardless...and you might want to take into consideration that what that other commenter said might have some validity and relevance to objective obama followers.

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    Feh. . . (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:41:48 PM EST
    no one was quicker to jump on CDS posters than me.  That doesn't mean I have to like the ODS any more than I did the CDS.  You're all the same, except for the extra little bit of ink it takes to close the C and make it an O.

    Objective?  Feh.

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    Larry....Feh this....snide remarks will (none / 0) (#126)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:26:56 PM EST
    not make you any friends.  obama followers:  always thinking we are right since 2007.  whatevah...

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    Not sniping at you... (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:16:15 PM EST
    but I can't help thinking that this is the most bizarre thing ever. Why is no one remarking on the utter weirdness of the media following Obama around like a bunch of lovesick puppy dogs?

    Certainly the other candidates who visited Iraq did not have this type of publicity. Did I fall asleep and miss the election already?

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    Actually. . . (none / 0) (#103)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:43:12 PM EST
    McCain got a lot of press when he went to Iraq in the lead up to the primaries.

    It may be bizarre to see a Democrat get the kind of favorable coverage normally reserved for Republicans, but you know what?  I'll take it.

    I didn't mean to suggest you were sniping at me, by the way -- just at Obama.

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    Well (none / 0) (#30)
    by CST on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:40:38 PM EST
    Maybe the european part is over-kill but he sure is getting a lot of good press over the iraq portion of his trip.

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    Don't forget... (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:40:09 PM EST
    "more troops for Afghanistan" (as though that's something that hasn't been discussed for uh...the past few years)...

    Any idea where those troops are going to come from re: the involved NATO countries?

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    hmmm, maybe moving troops from Iraq (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:48:01 PM EST
    to Afghanistan...

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    that's a good plan... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:53:19 PM EST
    in theory.

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    I just heard an interview on NPR of (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:43:31 PM EST
    an historian (with a new book coming out soon, natch) stating that, except for an elected President running for another term, no candidate for President has ever made such a trip as Obama's.

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    Maybe because there has never been (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:55:22 PM EST
    a bigger panderer in the history of presidential candidates...how many of his 300 advisors voted for this Network Groupie Tour?

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    Has any candidate never been (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Cream City on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:01:26 PM EST
    to Europe before?  To the Mideast since it became the locus of our foreign relations concerns?  Etc.

    I fully believe that there never has been a candidate at this level so inexperienced in foreign relations, and therefore, this would be a (modern-era) first.  

    I do not take comfort in that.

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    Not That You Should Take Comfort in This, But (none / 0) (#124)
    by daring grace on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:07:59 PM EST
    you stated:

    "I fully believe that there never has been a candidate at this level so inexperienced in foreign relations...'

    How about W?

    For that matter, what were Bill Clinton's or Carter's or Reagan's foreign policy bon fides as presumptive nominees?

    Not snarking. Really wonder if all the successful (i.e. elected) POTUS es who were first governors had much foreign policy ooomph going in.

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    I thought Clinton went last year (none / 0) (#44)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:47:11 PM EST
    I know she was in Iraq for a bit.

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    What does (none / 0) (#48)
    by CST on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:48:52 PM EST
    "such a trip as Obama's" really mean though?  McCain went to Europe and Iraq earlier this year while he was the republican nominee.  He just didn't take the press with him.

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    I don't know how that historian. . . (none / 0) (#52)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:50:29 PM EST
    defines "such a trip", but certainly McCain did something similar during the primaries and again a month or so ago.

    It's true that Obama's getting more press from his trip but that's mostly because he's a media rock star.  He also has more riding on the trip since he's the younger, less experienced guy in the race.

    So far, I think he's had no flubs and a really great response from the media.  I expect media commentators (at least the Obama maniacs) to be saying things over the next few weeks like "Obama put any lingering concerns there might have been to bed with his trip."

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    Despite my searching NPR's (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:22:08 PM EST
    website, I am unable to retrieve any reference to this interview.  Did I just imagine this?  

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    not sure how this plays out (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by TimNCGuy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:48:00 PM EST
    I know the media are all saying Obama's trip isa to boost  his foreign policy credentials.

    But, how hard should it be for the repugs to point out that you don't earn much in the way of expertise or credentials in one week on a trip over seas?

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    Tim....if that is the case, many commenters (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:55:56 PM EST
    on this site should be running for prez!

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    Even funnier, and a good hit by the Repubs (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Cream City on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:03:12 PM EST
    was pointing out that Obama made his big foreign-policy speech before going to, y'know, foreign places.  He gave them that one, ya gotta admit.  Not very good speech-travel schedule coordination. :-)

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    Except (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:51:00 PM EST
    That unlike most GOPers who talk of banning the word french and calling Germany old europe, Obama has traveled and experienced the world. Not a cowboy barley able to speak english.

    More to the point, your candidate, McSame, is getting nervous:

    GOP Fears That Obama Will Get a Boost From Foreign Travel
    Republican strategists see Obama looking more knowledgeable and presidential rather than making gaffes.

    USNews & World Report

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    Except (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Cream City on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 07:28:08 PM EST
    that McCain isn't one of those goopers.  You seem to underestimate him.  It was a good hit, as a policy speech not about Indonesia or Pakistan where he went on a few weeks' trip but on the exact regions where Obama says he has yet to go on his fact-finding trip -- well, you must be the only cheerleader who can't see how silly that was.

    Not that the good hit will do any good.  Sure, Obama is gonna get a bounce from this trip.  Why would he be going if it wasn't going to help?  Really, don't waste bandwidth on some of this silliness you state over and over.  But then, we'll have to see what he pulls out of his hat next month.  There are many, many months to go. . . .

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    The funny thing about that (none / 0) (#67)
    by independent voter on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:00:46 PM EST
    is McCain made such a big deal about how you don't know what's going on until you are there personally observing the situation. I'm not sure the GOP can have it both ways. McCain forgot to be careful what you wish for

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    Nah (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:35:33 PM EST
    nothing to do with what McCain was saying.

    The MSM follow Obama around like dogs no matter what.

    And really, I don't pay a lot of attention to what McCain says, but I'm betting his point was that Obama hadn't even visited Iraq or any other countries, not that mere visits = foreign policy experience.

    I really don't know, are the Obama crowd pics all that much different just because he's in Europe?  I think the US has a bit of Obama fatigue after the primaries, I'm wondering if this will do much for him.


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    Yes that is funny (none / 0) (#79)
    by TheJoker on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:07:12 PM EST
    if McCain didn't make such a big deal about Lil BO not going overseas, he wouldn't have gone and the media wouldn't have focused on it. McCain = Dole-like ineptitude.

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    I know..... (none / 0) (#83)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:10:08 PM EST
    ...McCain is Obama's ace in the hole.

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    Really Hard (none / 0) (#100)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:39:48 PM EST
    Considering that Obama is showing Americans that the world accepts him as the next POTUS. Passed that test with flying colors...

    That bodes very well for Obama's foreign relations and I do not mean the ones in Kenya.

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    Squeaky that's so cute (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Ellie on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:15:11 PM EST
    Passed that test with flying colors.

    OMG, next we'll be reading celebratory hagiography based on Obama heroically managing to tie his own shoes.

    (In passing and to preserve bandwidth ...)

    Last week, we learned that he was "hitting the gym" three times a day, that phrase indicating he was actually hanging out at a friend's place in an ap't building that had a gym in it.

    I'll have to remember that creative (class) use of language.

    I, too, could be working out or if I'm anywhere in proximity to a designated space and the necessary equipment.

    Yep, worked the old buns of steel nearly numb today (hammock swinging near the vid that didn't even sell for 50 cents at the neighbor's lawn sale, as she just complained and tried to get me to take it off her hands for nothing. I said I'd do it but she'd have to pay me fifty cents to walk over and get it.)

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    Yes (none / 0) (#140)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 10:14:13 PM EST
    I do not think it is good to have our executive branch aligned with war criminals.

    Much better if our POTUS is loved and respected, rather than fearing arrest if they step foot in a foreign country.

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    Obama's "success" was orchestrated... (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by stefystef on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:27:23 PM EST
    Did anyone think that Obama would look bad overseas?  Obama's image has been pretty well controlled and orchestrated since the beginning.  I know a lot of people think his campaign is just some organic event that just came to fruition, but it's hardly anything like that.

    The fact that they had all three news anchors over there tell me they were prepared to keep his image on the front pages, to look presidential but "compassionate".  

    For Obama, it's all image, no substance.

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    Exactly like every other (none / 0) (#146)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:31:03 PM EST
    camapaign in the last twenty years (all) that cant be run without media consultants, imaqe consultants, pollsters, spokespersons, The Pantsuit Manufactureres of America etc etc

    If you're trying to convince anyone that Obama's is any more scripted, choreographed and rehearsed than anyone elses these days, you're going to have to do better than that.

    They're ALL "orchestrated". These people (yes Virginia, even the Divine Mrs C), are terrified of leaving anything to over-scrutinzed chance.

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    But be glad you're (none / 0) (#147)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:42:54 PM EST
    not McSame and have to be shot up with sodium penathol before every public appearence.

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    3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Gets (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:38:25 PM EST
    one right...

    link

    I, for one, didn't see a damn thing  :)

    Good for them! (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:41:12 PM EST
    The FCC sure made a mountain out of, er...never mind. ;-)

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    well, it was only there (5.00 / 0) (#34)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:41:59 PM EST
    for 9/16 of a second.

    If you'd blink, you'd miss it.

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    I had trouble seeing the offensive gland without (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by jawbone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:05:55 PM EST
    the pixilation of the area!

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    But some us could do an instant replay. . . (none / 0) (#54)
    by misspeach2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:52:10 PM EST
    Mugabe to meet with opposition leader: (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:00:15 PM EST
    Finally (none / 0) (#72)
    by CST on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:03:08 PM EST
    Although the way things have gone I am afraid "meet with" will somehow turn into "arrest and torture".  But this is a good start.

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    John surprise (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Lahdee on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:08:20 PM EST
    John McCain has announced he will support gun control. Speaking to supporters at West World in Scottsdale the Arizona Senator said, "My friends, some in our party may not like it, but if it keeps me from shooting myself in the foot I'm all for it."

    McCain has a sense of humor. That may (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:25:21 PM EST
    serve him well in the GE.  

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    Once Again (none / 0) (#104)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:43:42 PM EST
    Obama defining the center.

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    Lately, I have become worried by (5.00 / 0) (#91)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:23:50 PM EST
    defensiveness shown by Obama supporters.  Look we can not be so worried by what people say about a candidate less we give validity to their argument.   I personally have never found Obama to be the right candidate, but I definitely am not going to vote for McCain that does not mean though that I should not be able to criticize what I may thing Obama is doing wrong.  i.e. in the subject of Iraq I was happier and more in agreement with Obama's position back in 2006 and 2007 than I am with his current position.  It's nuance but I feel that way.  Is his the correct political move?  I don't know I can only express what I feel to be correct.  So to conclude I don't believe we should be so defensive on criticism of the candidate.

    obama is so proud of America, he has (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:42:19 PM EST
    removed the flag off his plane's tail and replaced it with his logo.  I guess there wasn't room for both.  Sorry, but these kinds of things really bug me.

    link

    at least (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:46:23 PM EST
    they didnt use the "seal"

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    Just more fodder for the (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by waldenpond on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:17:16 PM EST
    Repubs (or jib-jab.)  This just goes to the 'snob' factor.  (I don't believe the word elitist is allowed if it involves a Dem)   I picture a Repub attack 'collage' commercial of all of the over the top commercialism of the Obama campaign.

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    Good discussion w/ Peter Gosselin abt his new book (4.00 / 0) (#75)
    by jawbone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:04:42 PM EST
    today on the WNYC Leonard Lopate Show today. Audio available.

    Just how precarious are American families' financial situations right now? In his new book, High Wire, Los Angeles Times economic correspondent Peter Gosselin traces 25 years of shifting economic risk from business and government onto the backs of working families.

    When discussing healthcare plans, Gosselin says McCain is just repeating BushBoy's dream of privatization. He also expressed concern about how much Obama is actually going to do, since he has been very quiet about heathcare since he became The Presumptive. He holds out hope he will do something big and strong during the Fall campaigning.

    Hope.... He did say that if voters just give their allegiance and votes to someone without demanding to know what that candidate will do, they're not likely to get much in return.

    Does this guy read BTD?

    James Cooper D from Tenn is said (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by hairspray on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:12:46 PM EST
    to have been the Democrat who stuck the knife in the HC plan.
    June 15, 1993 - House Democrat Jim Cooper -- who introduced a bill in 1992 based on the principle of managed competition -- meets with Hillary Clinton to explore their differences over health care. He has serious problems with employer mandates and universal coverage that are part of Clinton's plan and expresses his concern that the administration is being pushed to the left by liberals in the House. Cooper says he will not be able to support the Clinton plan unless changes are made.
    And now it appears that James Cooper is on the Obama Health care team.

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    I have lost hope that we will enact Universal (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by jawbone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:08:08 PM EST
    Healthcare under an Obama presidency.

    It's going take even more pain for more people and more loss of health and of life to persuade pols to do anything.

    I hope that I am wrong.

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    The increased health care (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 07:27:29 PM EST
    realized under an Obama administration will IMO consist of an expanded S-Chip program similar to the bipartisan bill that was vetoed by Bush.  Maybe some pressure for the so called cost saving measures like streamlining of medical records etc.  A few greatest speeches evah on the issue.

    IMO he will spend more time expanding the faith based initiative program than in expanding health care.

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    Lobby your Congressional representative (none / 0) (#133)
    by shoephone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 07:09:10 PM EST
    From what I have heard, the strategy is for the House to come up with the plan and introduce the legislation. Rather than Obama pressing them for it, it's going to be the other way around. (Kind of like the way the founders imagined it to be.)

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    Somehow... (2.00 / 0) (#137)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 08:40:26 PM EST
    I just can't get worked up over what's not or what's on Obama's plane or any of the other petty stuff today.  

    But then, I had break my Mother's heart tonight by telling her what the near future holds for her youngest child.  And having to deal with the reality of it all myself.

    At least it puts things in their proper prospective.

    MileHi - I obviously missed this (none / 0) (#138)
    by shoephone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 09:37:29 PM EST
    since I haven't been around much today. What happened?

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    Mothers are strong (none / 0) (#141)
    by misspeach2008 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 07:35:24 AM EST
    She's carried you before. She'll carry you again.

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    My thoughts are with you pal..... (none / 0) (#142)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 09:04:13 AM EST
    and from what I know of the strength of your character I wouldn't bet against you to keep on keepin' on.

    That you're more concerned about your moms really says it all...

    Fight fight fight you son of a gun!  I wanna be reading your comments for years to come...

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    About "horizons" (none / 0) (#3)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:21:13 PM EST
    That word whose new usage Bushie and McSame would have us believe defines their plans for someday removing US troops from places like Iraq.

    Why the he*l is it that no one (including anywhere I've looked in the progressive
    blogosphere) has bothered to mention that horizons always recede, and that one never
    reaches the horizon no matter how far toward it one travels?

    Hmm?

    So, when Bushie and McSame start talking about time horizons for withdrawing troops, they really mean "never".  That's what they call "Republican honesty".

    Or, it's just a way of saying a Friedman unit, without being tied to that whole inconvenient idea that a Friedman unit is 6 months long....

    Just saying.


    No one manipulates language (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:24:45 PM EST
    like the Republicans.

    They only tell the truth when no one is paying attention.

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    They only tell the truth... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:29:11 PM EST
    when they "mis-speak"...then they run from the truth like the plague.

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    Bush had several moments like that... (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:31:52 PM EST
    remember this one?

    Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
    - US President George W. Bush (August 5, 2004)


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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#93)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:25:54 PM EST
    Of course it depends on what the meaning of exactly is.

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    AKA Turning the Corner or the ever impending ... (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Ellie on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:01:22 PM EST
    ... all-important ONE right fight for which the do-nothing Dems must keep The Powder Dry?

    C'mon, FOURTH AMENDMENT, people; not a whit controversial here.

    It's not as if Dem voters were asking the fine @sses in Congress to legalize heroin and make it freely available to schoolchildren.

    If Dems didn't use a puff's worth of Dry Powder to stop war, torture, TWO stonewalling uncommunicative SCOTUS picks and dozens of Bush's croney appts, they weren't ever.

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    I want to believe (none / 0) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:25:31 PM EST
    I do , too (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by misspeach2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:34:30 PM EST
    If we discover that there is life elsewhere in the universe, we are going to have to deal with the blow to our own self-importance. Kind of like discovering that we are not at the center of the universe in Galileo's time.  What a revolution in thinking that caused!

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    the funny thing about that King thing (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:41:52 PM EST
    is how shocked SHOCKED people are that the military and the cia might be covering up evidence of unexplained ufos.
    who knew?
    (besides pretty much everyone who cared)

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    That is funny thinking... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:05:09 PM EST
    I'd be shocked if they didn't cover it up.

    The thought of intergalactic missile disarmament is strangely reassuring...and it makes sense for a first contact.  

    "Kill the nukes so these savages don't kill us before we have a chance to say hello."

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    thanks! (none / 0) (#18)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:32:56 PM EST
    I needed Larry for my class and wasn't sure where the link could be found.

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    btw (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:27:33 PM EST
    we were right about the Dark Knight.
    it broke the opening weekend record by several million.


    66.4 million opening night. (none / 0) (#12)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:29:09 PM EST
    I'm seeing it tomorrow. :-)

    Saw Wall-E Sunday. What an excellent movie!

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    a fanboy friend (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:57:46 PM EST
    said Wall-E was not only one of the best animated films he ever saw but one of the best Sci-Fi films he ever saw.
    I have not seen it yet I am embarrassed to say.
    that Pixar!  
    over at rotten tomatoes they are doing a 10 year anniversary thing.  listing the ten best reviewed films of the last ten years.
    about 6 or 7 of them are Pixar movies.

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    Pixar is teh bomb! (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:19:27 PM EST
    The stories and characters are always top, top-notch.

    This was a highlight even for them.

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    Mama Mia is way better! (none / 0) (#112)
    by hairspray on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:17:08 PM EST
    That it did.... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:30:41 PM EST
    I didn't get in...sold out at my local multiplex.

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    Dark Knight (none / 0) (#20)
    by CST on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:33:48 PM EST
    As good as I hoped, better than I expected.

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    Don't give anything away, CST! (none / 0) (#24)
    by madamab on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:36:11 PM EST
    I can't wait to see it. :-)

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    It is sold out for the next week (none / 0) (#35)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:42:12 PM EST
    at my local theater.

    I saw Mamma Mia instead. Lots of fun - although Pierce Brosnan singing in Dolby sound is not for the faint of heart.  But he's Pierce Brosnan, so you just don't care that he sings like a brick.

    Meryl Streep rules.

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    Organized a big family moviegoing (none / 0) (#38)
    by Cream City on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:43:20 PM EST
    last night, almost a dozen of us.  Most went to Dark Knight and most liked it, but not one brother who is an artist and very anti-violence in art.  All did complain, though, that the sound of the film is very difficult, and it wasn't the theatre sound system, one could tell who works with sound.  The film has lots of layers of sound at once, so they said it was hard to tell what was being said at several points.

    I'm not a fan of action flicks, cartoon figures, etc., and haven't seen a one of the Batman flicks.

    The daughter and a niece and I went across the hall at the multiplex to Mamma Mia, as catching the musical on tour here is one of our fondest mother-daughter memories.  It was marvelous again.  Streep and Baranski must film together again.  And Seyfried, the daughter in Big Love, shows she also has range and a career ahead beyond being . . . a Dancing Queen!

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    I agree about the sound in Dark Knight... (5.00 / 0) (#49)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:48:53 PM EST
    ...its good to have some confirmation though because I blew my ears out standing too close to the stage in rock concerts so I can't always tell if sound is murky or if its just me.

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    Seyfried was adorable (none / 0) (#51)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:50:01 PM EST
    Best singing voice in the movie too. I found myself hoping she is as nice in person as she is in the movie.  Hate to see another Lohan situation with her.

    The two other women I went with have daughters, and we all teary at that wonderful scene when they are getting ready for the wedding.

    Also loved the scenery - just looking at that warter, sky and rocky hills for two hours was a treat.

    I'm ready to see it again. May have to buy it when it comes out on DVD.

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    I'm glad you all liked it..... (none / 0) (#55)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:52:26 PM EST
    ...my husband is trying to convince me that Mama Mia has been universally panned and will be roundly rejected by the viewing public. But he hates ABBA, so I'm not paying him any mind.

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    Pay him no mind (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 02:56:40 PM EST
    It is one of those critic-proof movies.  I see it grossed 27 mil this weekend - not too shabby! The showing we went to see was sold out, so we got tickets for the next one, which ended up selling out too.  I think it will do just fine.

    I care how it does at the box office so that they will make more movies appealing to the likes of me!

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    not universally panned at all (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:00:48 PM EST
    its something like 54% at rotten tomatoes.  which means a majority liked it.
    and 27 mil the same weekend as the Dark Knight is great.
    I would watch Meryl Streep read the phonebook.
    Death Becomes Her is one of my all time favorite movies.

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    I would too (none / 0) (#82)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:10:05 PM EST
    She's light-hearted and care-worn all at the same time, and dancing around like a college girl at spring break.

    The critic at Slate said it was hard to imagine that there are 9 stage productions of Mamma Mia going on around the world right now without Meryl streep. I'd have to agree with that.

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    I loved Streep (none / 0) (#89)
    by misspeach2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:20:29 PM EST
    in the Bridges of Madison County. I'm still waiting for Clint Eastwood to drive up to my porch in his pickup and ask for directions.  My husband says that if he ever does, I should just jump in.  8^) I also liked her in the Devil Wears Prada. I think she does comedy and drama equally as well- remembering Sophie's Choice.

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    Out of Africa . . . (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:29:35 PM EST
    Angels in America(amazing), Adaptation, She Devil, Silkwood, The Deer Hunter and on and on and on.
    what a career.


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    Postcards From the Edge (none / 0) (#134)
    by shoephone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 07:11:42 PM EST
    She sang in that too. Country music.

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    She's got decent pipes. (none / 0) (#95)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:29:58 PM EST
    Her solo at the end of the excellent "Postcards From the Edge" was wonderful. Will have to see "Momma Mia."

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    her "production number" (none / 0) (#96)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:33:56 PM EST
    in Death Becomes Her is priceless.  she has the ability to strike the perfect tone.  no matter what.


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    Thanks. I'll have to rent that one. (none / 0) (#97)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:36:15 PM EST
    its a wonderful (none / 0) (#99)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:39:05 PM EST
    and pretty unknown movie.  very under appreciated.
    IMO.
    she and Goldie are both amazing.

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    not to go on about it BUT (none / 0) (#101)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:41:22 PM EST
    there is a scene with Goldie in a 400 pound fat suit watching tv and eating cans of frosting that is one of the funniest things I have ever seen.


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    I've been a Goldie Hawn (none / 0) (#106)
    by misspeach2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:54:32 PM EST
    fan since she "bet her sweet bippy" on Laugh-In.

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    me too (none / 0) (#107)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:57:09 PM EST
    this is her best since Protocol.


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    I loved that solo, too (none / 0) (#110)
    by Cream City on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:09:00 PM EST
    and every single thing Streep ever has done.  It was good to hear sing again in Prairie Home Companion, The Movie -- and with Lily Tomlin, what a hoot!

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    Another good one (none / 0) (#113)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:19:40 PM EST
    I don't hear much about is One True Thing. That is a mother-daughter tearjerker and she is perfect.

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    Meryl Streep at 58 puts (none / 0) (#114)
    by hairspray on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:20:35 PM EST
    everyone and I mean everyone to shame.  She sings, dances and shows more acting talent in one facial gesture than all of the bad boys of superviolent movies out today.

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    Stupid Wireless Tricks -- here's something new! (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ellie on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:42:10 PM EST
    Having come off a brutal few months of maxing out on 2ble shifts and overwork, I've been on a reduced workload.

    Consequently, I surf off older and weaker tech like my PDA or palmbook rigged to my netsafe "dunebuggy" OS. The downside is that the WiFi on those relics is weak. The upside is that I discovered that some ghosts were helping me stay on the hammock for my power-loafing.

    Here's what happened.

    I got an opportunity to bid on a project that I REALLY REALLY want, however, I have to get everything in on a ridiculous deadline. A relative suggested yoking her (HS senior) son into indentured servitude as my intern and he can gain some cred to apply for work in the digital arts/media field that he wants to work in before going to college next year.

    Also, I get to preserve SOME hammock time, so I got a laptop for him and cleared a bit of working area amid my clutter.

    Well I discovered some new network icons on my wheezing hammock-friendly palmbook and additional bars to the WiFi signal I was -- ::cough:: -- borrowing off the hot-zone from neighbors' intersecting networks. This boost turned out to be from the indentured servants' laptop that I got for him, which is still in the box.

    How cool is that??? As cool as this frosty jug of brisk ice tea I'm enjoying behind this makeshift fortress of trash culture I'm wallowing in (that's not the news, that is.)

    Israeli soldier.... (none / 0) (#121)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:53:25 PM EST
    shoots cuffed and blind-folded Palestinian protester with rubber bullet at close range, young Palestinian girl catches it on tape. Link

    Barbarism...Authoritarian barbarism.

    It's a sick, sick world folks.

    Rice Told Embassies To Limit Aid (none / 0) (#139)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 10:06:15 PM EST
    to obama and mccain...

    link

    More Guns, Less Crime... (none / 0) (#143)
    by diogenes on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 10:29:30 AM EST
    JERUSALEM - A Palestinian rammed a construction truck into three cars and a bus near the Jerusalem hotel where Barack Obama is supposed to stay Tuesday, injuring four people before an Israeli civilian shot and killed the attacker, police and witnesses said.

    Another Taser Death (none / 0) (#144)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 05:59:02 PM EST
    And looks like this one may have legs:

    At 1:28 p.m. last Jan. 17, Baron "Scooter" Pikes was a healthy 21-year-old man. By 2:07 p.m., he was dead.

    What happened in the 39 minutes in between--during which Pikes was handcuffed by local police and shocked nine times with a Taser device, while reportedly pleading for mercy--is now spawning fears of a political cover-up in this backwoods Louisiana lumber town infamous for backroom dealings.

    Even more ominously, because Pikes was black and the officer who repeatedly Tasered him is white, racial tensions over the case are mounting in a place that's just 40 miles from Jena, La. Jena is the site of the racially explosive prosecution of six black teenagers charged with beating a white youth that last year triggered one of the largest American civil rights demonstrations in decades. And in a bizarre coincidence, Pikes turns out to have been a first cousin of Mychal Bell, the lead defendant in the Jena 6 case.

    link


    Hey NC and Ga (none / 0) (#145)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:04:34 PM EST
    If Obama is supposedly "accusing McCain of racism"
    as you keep recklessly asserting, lets see some direct statements from Obama or anyone in his inner circle that substantiate that charge.

    With all due respect, put up or STFU.

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    Crickets.. more crickets (none / 0) (#148)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:55:35 PM EST
    a katydid in the sycamore nearby working her file..the plaintive, haunting cry of the

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