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Late Night: Jessie's Girl and Open Thread

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Posted on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:10:37 AM EST
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In case you weren't one of the 7 million people who watched the Bachelorette finale last night, Deanna picked my favorite, Colorado Snowboarder Jesse Csincsak.

As I predicted, more than 1,000 fans signed up on Jesse's MySpace page today (which overnight became a joint page for him and Deanna). But, more than 2,000 fans signed onto Jason's page today.

I was on the media conference call with them today -- two segments, one with Deanna and Jesse and the other with Jason. (Summary here.) Jason will be just fine and he's a class act. Congrats to Deanna and Jesse.

This is an open thread... and my last post on the Bachelorette -- at least until winter when they move back to Colorado. Apologies to all for the lame 80's bubblegum song but it just seemed to fit.

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    Absolutely out of my element with Bachelorette (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:16:03 AM EST
    sorry.

    no problem, it's an open thread (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:17:22 AM EST
    so feel free to pick another topic. The last thread was filling up and I'm about done for the night.

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    I am confused (none / 0) (#45)
    by samtaylor2 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:19:16 AM EST
    According to the ladies I walk my dog with in the morning Jason was supposed to be the one?

    P.S.
    We then got to debating which is more popular: the bachelor or the bachlorette among women and why.  These women were hands down the bachelorete, I guess they liked the eye candy.  I admit I have never watched the shows, my extra time is spent here

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    I don't think its the eye candy. (none / 0) (#52)
    by indy in sc on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:02:39 AM EST
    Maybe it's the woman getting the chance to do the choosing.  

    I have to confess that I have watched at least 5 out of the 10 or so seasons of bachelor/bachelorette including at least 2 bachelorette seasons.  I find that when the women are doing the choosing, they seem to be actually trying to find someone they could marry whereas the men seem to be choosing the woman they think is the hottest.  I don't think that's true of men/women in general--just the ones who come on this show.  I don't think "true love" is easily found in this kind of setting regardless of intentions, but that said, it does seem that Jesse & Deanna are off to a good start.

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    Reality TV is just weird (none / 0) (#57)
    by samtaylor2 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:41:28 AM EST
    I was on My First place on HGTV.  I didn't realize the bizarre things they have to do even with this type of TV to get it right.  I would have to repeat something that they liked a couple of times so they could get it at different angles.  Or walk down the street 50 times so they could get it (my friends stilll haven't let that go).  Bizzare.  It was fun though.  I can only imagine how this spontaneous love TV show must work.  Someone says something cute and loving, and then he or she must repeat it 100 times from different angles, tons of wires to trip over, only certain fabrics work do to microphone issues, crazy.  Maybe arranged marriages aren't the worst way to find true love :)

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    It's always enlightening (none / 0) (#61)
    by indy in sc on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:04:35 AM EST
    to find out how the sausage is made!  It is funny to imagine a "sincere" declaration of love having to be "shot" 20 times from different angles.  That's going to make future seasons even funnier. Sadly, I'll still be watching!

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#68)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:11:24 PM EST
    I was in a documentary that filmed over several months and it drove me crazy how long it took to film each scene and how many re-shoots were necessary. If a fire engine drove down the street, it was "Cut" and we had to do it again. The delays for lighting could last hours. It was unscripted so my first take would be spontaneous and fine. By the fifth take, I sounded wooden and the words were never as good as the first time.

    Live tv is so much better. You go once and you're done.

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    What is the documentary called? (none / 0) (#70)
    by samtaylor2 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:43:07 PM EST
    Is there a link?

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    Well, you don't hear that song just (none / 0) (#1)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:13:17 AM EST
    everyday....once every 20 years or so, is just fine... :)

    Apparently, from what I read, (none / 0) (#4)
    by RalphB on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:00:55 AM EST
    Obama said this as part of his patriotism spiel.  Does this make any sense, assuming the Democrats didn't nominate Mussolini?

    "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." -Barack Obama July 2, 2008
    Just as strong? We're giving the (none / 0) (#5)
    by MarkL on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:06:15 AM EST
    police and FBI nukes? Wow.. just wow!

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    Just as well funded (none / 0) (#8)
    by RalphB on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:09:53 AM EST
    kind of freaks me out, considering the Pentagon budget  :-)   There's gotta be WORM that I'm not getting.

    I'm hoping he didn't really say that and where I read it got it wrong/

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    Yes (none / 0) (#7)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:09:04 AM EST
    He is pledging to increase Americorps slots from 75,000 to 250,000 and double the size of the Peace Corps.

    Americorps, unless I'm mistaken, was founded by Bill Clinton and not Il Duce.  Maybe that Clinton guy did something decent after all.

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    Americorps (none / 0) (#9)
    by RalphB on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:11:00 AM EST
    is a "civilian national security force"?  In that case, that's the WORM I was looking for.  Glad to hear it.

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    What am I missing? (none / 0) (#11)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:15:49 AM EST
    Military vs Americorps and national security objectives?

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    Maybe it was an "inartful" statement (none / 0) (#12)
    by RalphB on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:17:58 AM EST
    or we have a nominee who doesn't know the meaning of "security force".  :-)

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    It is (none / 0) (#21)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:56:47 AM EST
    just kinda a typically cheesy Democratic attempt to reframe something as a national security proposal.  You know, we're making the nation stronger, blah blah blah.

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    Obama is not a typical Democrat. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Grace on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 05:35:55 AM EST


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    Heh (none / 0) (#55)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:38:59 AM EST
    Just like I'm not a typical white person.

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    See the quote in the link? It's the worst (none / 0) (#15)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:29:25 AM EST
    muddle of programs and pandering yet to security fears.  I know students in Americorps.  They tend to be good and giving kids who avoid guns.  What the heck is Obama saying?  This could screw up the program, scaring off the very sort who sign up to help -- not to secure our native soil blah blah.

    That's the National Guard, and it's quite different.  Of course, it definitely needs funding support, too, since some of us are in states with few Guard and equipment left for local emergencies, since so many are serving overseas so that we don't need a draft.  (Some seem to be serving longer than if they had enlisted in the regular armed forces.)

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    Ok, we be on the same page! (none / 0) (#20)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:53:48 AM EST
    Yes, NG and AC are different. National security makes me think of NG, who we could also use, as you point out, for local emergencies. I'm hoping like heck they can get enough support in CA for the fires. It's gonna be a long summer and they are already getting spent. You dealt/are dealing with the floods and there were the tornadoes before that. And now we have Hurricane season!

    And Arnie has declared fire season in CA as year round. Hate to say it, but I think he's right. Depending on the weather pattern . . . and the there's the mudslides, floods and earthquakes! Oy.

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    The vile Clinton? (none / 0) (#43)
    by BernieO on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:26:41 AM EST
    No way. Not unless you want to count 6 million people moving out of poverty due largely to his policies like increasing the EITC, job training, access to health care, etc.
    And what about his evil wife? Wanting everyone to have affordable health care. How wrong is that?

    I just read a review of "The Perfect Wife", a bio of Laura Bush. Apparently, even though a big issue for her is education she had little input on Shrub's policies. She told people she wanted to be an old-fashioned first lady. Too bad she had never read about Abigail Adams and Dolly Madison, both of whom were a great. positive influence on their husbands presidencies and helped them stay on track. I believe that presidents who do not have a wife who is involved  are much more likely to go off the rails because they do not have anyone around them who are not motivated by self interest and personal ambition.  If you listen to the LBJ tapes you can see what a stabilizing influence Lady Bird had. And it was Nancy Reagan who stepped in and got rid of Don Reagan when Ronnie was in such bad shape that his staff was actually considering invoking the 25th amendment and having him removed from office. (And they say he did not have Alzheimers in office!) In addition it was Nancy who talked him into making the missile deal with Russia.
    Contrast that to the disastrous presidencies of Nixon, who shut Pat out, and our current pres, who apparently gets little or no input from his spouse. The only instance I am aware of was when Laura told George to cut out the macho cowboy act(e.g., "dead or alive" boast) and he apparently did tone it down, so it's not like she does not have any influence with him. Laura has done this country a grave disservice with her passive, "good little wife" stance. Too bad our media thinks that is the preferable role for a first lady. Most of them must be ignorant of history, too, and as we learned during the primaries, deeply sexist.

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    The good little wife... (none / 0) (#50)
    by wasabi on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:44:59 AM EST
    She's the wife of a Rupublican president who proceeded a Democratic president who's wife was actually trying to implement policy in the White House.  For which said Democrat's wife was given hell by the right-wing (and MSM)for not knowing her "place".  Who knows what Laura has really done for George in her capacity as First Lady.  She needed the fire-breathers to know that she understood her proper role.

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    Hmm . . . (none / 0) (#10)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:12:18 AM EST
    well, I do know NYC has their own HLS dept, and frankly, I was trusting it over the color levels and false alarms of the National one!

    But I have no idea WORM in regards to his statement. He would have to break it out in non-WORM terms  ;)

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    Can we give the FBI guys decoder (none / 0) (#14)
    by MarkL on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:25:53 AM EST
    rings, so they can tell the difference between a  message about paintball and a plot to take down the Brooklyn bridge?

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    Frankly, the words in Obama's (none / 0) (#17)
    by MarkL on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:35:27 AM EST
    quote do not appear to refer to various agencies, but to one force.
    I don't like playing the WORM game---not about serious matters of national security.

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    It was clear what he meant (none / 0) (#44)
    by BernieO on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:31:15 AM EST
    When he told AIPAC that Jerusalem should REMAIN the capital of Israel. Of course that statement was wrong on the facts and wildly inflammatory so it did nothing to enhance our security. But at least he was clear.
    If John McCain had made such a huge blunder the media would be all over it and claiming it was a sign of age. But what can we expect from someone who got his foreign policy qualification as a child in Indonesia.

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    Noone who would write this: (none / 0) (#18)
    by MarkL on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:10 AM EST

    [new] Obama has not moved (none / 0) (#215)
    by Libertor on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:29:28 AM EST
    Some people have projected their own expectations on him - apparently not hearing his fundamental message.  He intends to govern without ideological boundaries, seek compromise, and do things outside the box.

    He hasn't flipped on anything except supporting a filibuster on telecomm immunity.  Since there is no filibuster, it's a moot point.

    is trying to have a serious discussion.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#27)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:13:41 AM EST
    The filibuster was on June 25.  Facts are pesky things.

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    Wow! (none / 0) (#56)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:41:03 AM EST
    You really don't know that the definition of a filibuster is opposing the motion to cut off debate?  Well, now you do.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#19)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:52:55 AM EST
    I know you think it's "obvious," and that no one could possibly fail to understand what it means.  But actually, as my link above makes clear, he was actually talking about Americorps and the Peace Corps.  So maybe you could dial it down a notch when you get tempted to lord your superior understanding over people.

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    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#58)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:42:51 AM EST
    I must have missed the part where you explained why I'm wrong that he was referring to expanding Americorps and the Peace Corps.

    Perhaps you could also educate me on why I am parroting Sean Hannity when I say Obama wants to expand Americorps and the Peace Corps.

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    shirt color? (none / 0) (#22)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:10:12 AM EST
    Ah, so the Americorps kids are going to be Obama's new homeland security force. Seems like I've heard this sort of thing before, just can't quite remember... snark

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    Faith-based militias maybe? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 06:20:28 AM EST
    ....just kidding.

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    Well, I liked Jeremy (none / 0) (#6)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:07:16 AM EST
    but when it got down to Jesse and Jason, I was all for Jesse. It also looks like their families will get along just fine. Good ending so far. :)

    Now that's it's down to 79 degrees and still steamy humid, I think I'll walk my poor dog. Thank Dawg she thinks humidity sucks as much as I do, lol!~ One more day of this crap weather and then it should be cool enough that I can install my second AC. Sweaty palms don't work for installing window ACs 4 floors above the sidewalk  ;)

    iPhone (none / 0) (#23)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:13:57 AM EST
    Didn't get to answer in the last open thread where you mentioned the iPhone, but I'll be getting one. Yep, I'll be getting the flashy new shiny object. :-) Not sure I'll get it on Friday though. I might wait a few days to let the crowds and delays die down a bit. But then I'm supposed to be in Denver next week, so I think I want to get it before I go, so I may just get it on Saturday. We'll see.

    I'll prob get one before I set (none / 0) (#24)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:23:39 AM EST
    off on my cross country adventure next spring. I'm avoiding the iPhone right now as I'm waiting for the evolutions and I can't justify it at the moment. I'm getting better with the new shiny Apple objects, lol!~ I was actually able to see the macBook Air didn't fit my needs, but dang it's a shiny lil' thing!

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    By the way (none / 0) (#25)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:57:22 AM EST
    This is pretty funny on the subject of Obama's Iraq position.

    SteveM (none / 0) (#32)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:28:44 AM EST
    a couple of threads ago you made some interesting comments on Hillary's UHC proposal that I very much enjoyed. Do you have any specific references I could look at?

    I'm sorry, I live in Tokyo and so it is difficult for me to meet the usual time frame of these threads.

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    I didn't (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jackson Hunter on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:17:19 AM EST
    listen to the song, but every time I think about it I can't help but remember that scene from "Boogie Nights" when the coke dealer is blasting the song and the young Asian kid is setting off firecrackers randomly all throughout the living.  The surrealness of it all was just amazing, I would put it up in the top ten film sequences I've ever seen.  Just the weirdness, especially with the long pause in dialogue as Mark Wahlberg sits and can't believe what he has gotten himself into, and then laughs to himself in disbelief.  I bet we have all been there at one point, almost transfixed and unable to function as things go awry in slow motion all around you.  Great, great scene from a pretty good movie.

    Jackson

    Oops! (none / 0) (#30)
    by Jackson Hunter on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:19:28 AM EST
    add "room" after "living" in my first sentence.

    Jackson

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    Good catch! It was itching in my brain (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ellie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 05:44:25 AM EST
    ... slowly driving me nuts, and I couldn't tell whether it was just from the song being odious on its own or connected to something I'd seen.

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    Absolutely.... (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:34:06 AM EST
    Boogie Nights was the first thing I thought of....awesome scene.

    "Rickie Springfield....he's a buddy of mine!"

    "That's Cosmo...he's Chinese"

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    The headlines on stories for tomorrow (none / 0) (#34)
    by Grace on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:26:55 AM EST
    are hilarious:

    Obama's Smart Surge to the Middle - Clarence Page, Chicago Tribune

    It's Time to Resist Pressure to Move Right - Ruth Conniff, The Progressive

    Obama Would Have to Govern From the Left - Dick Morris, The Hill

    Does anyone really know what Obama would do if he were elected President?  

    Does anyone here buy the "Mystery Grab Bags" that they sell in stores?  

    The term "Black hole" (none / 0) (#35)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 05:31:26 AM EST
    is now racially sensitive.

    Oh dear..... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 06:28:15 AM EST
    ...all I can say is that a more scientifically literate insulting retort in that situation might have been white dwarf.

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    Heaven help us.... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:34:58 AM EST
    we are gonna sensitize ourselves out of a language.

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    Oh no. Now I have to go rewrite (none / 0) (#67)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:42:29 AM EST
    a lecture for class this fall.  Thanks for the heads-up.  (And, sadly, this is not necessarily snark.  The neocon classroom police are a problem on campuses. . . .)

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    LOL (none / 0) (#69)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 06:10:59 PM EST
    Yeah, the Dallas council members are neocons.  

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    :: cough :: Busted! (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ellie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 05:37:50 AM EST
    Does anyone here buy the "Mystery Grab Bags" that they sell in stores?

    I buy them from the art supply in self defense: to toss in the arts & crafts and costuming junk box for the stream of random kids.

    I only needed to see one of their dogs sashaying around in my realtime clothes once to take strong pre-emptive action on this. (Dayum that b!tch was stylin'!)

    Now the little f*ckers -- I mean adorable angels have feathers, ribbons, draw-on art smocks and aprons &c &c &c to wreck to their hearts' content.

    Anyone see the T Boone Pickens TV spot? (none / 0) (#41)
    by magisterludi on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 06:53:49 AM EST
    A Texas oilman saying we can't drill our way out of this mess- solar and wind and natural gas are our tickets out of Hell. I heard him talking about it on CNBC and then saw the spot during primetime CNN.

    Of course, Mr. Pickens has heavily invested in these energy sources and would profit greatly, but so would the rest of us. More capitalism like this, please.

    I'm sure there's a fly or two in the ointment, but it is a major step in the right direction, imo.

    two thoughts... (none / 0) (#42)
    by p lukasiak on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:24:55 AM EST
    first off, when did 'Jessie" become a guy's name?  I always thought it was "Jesse"... with "Jessie" a nickname for Jessica or something.  

    Secondly, is it just me, or does Rick Springfield have the same choreographer as those women in the band in those Robert Palmer videos?  

    Remember Uncle "Jessie" on (none / 0) (#51)
    by zfran on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:52:02 AM EST
    Full House, or Jesse Helms?

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    NYC is acting whack..... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:38:15 AM EST
    The cabbies want to add a one dollar fuel surcharge to all fares...which seems more than fair in these troubling times.  And the city says no....whats up with that?

    Yeah, the cabbies just got a raise, but gas has more than eaten that up.  It's not like anyone has to take cabs, they are a luxury....they are for the well-to-do and tourists who can more than afford the extra dollar.  

    C'mon NYC...give the cabbies a chance.

    Unaffliated voters... (none / 0) (#49)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:44:50 AM EST
    ...are now the largest voting block in Colorado surpassing registered Republicans for the first time in about 20 years.  Democrats bring up the rear.

    "Put another way, of the state's 2.8 million voters, 34.19 percent are unaffiliated, 34.14 percent are Republicans and 31.2 percent are Democrats. The remaining voters are members of other parties."

    http://tinyurl.com/63sjwa

    A for effort...... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:22:36 AM EST
    Nice try kid....it coulda been interesting.

    Who knew... (none / 0) (#59)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:44:15 AM EST
    ...that LSD smelled like pot!?  

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    Sounds like the kid... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:03:00 AM EST
    has some recipe....I wonder if it is available online?...:)

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    Perhaps if you... (none / 0) (#62)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:17:00 AM EST
    ...checked the MADD website they might have it?

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    I checked.... (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:38:23 AM EST
    no such luck...they have a recipe for a tyranny brownie, but it doesn't sound too appetizing:)

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    Well... (none / 0) (#65)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:58:03 AM EST
    ...I'm sure Cindy McCain probably has a recipe for something quite similar.

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    NYPD gone mad..... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:35:06 AM EST
    Who knew fire code violations required 6 squad cars and chains....and he's only the assistant manager!  Link

    Obama campaign changes convention lottery (none / 0) (#63)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:33:20 AM EST
    to not require a donation, after the minor dust-up with Minnesota lottery officials:

    link

    Ruh roh (none / 0) (#66)
    by echinopsia on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:13:46 AM EST
    Networks may limit convention coverage

    Major television networks are considering curtailing coverage of the Democratic National Convention after Monday's announcement that Barack Obama will accept his party's nomination in a Denver stadium.

    According to several broadcast executives, the networks will still cover all the major speeches. But beyond that, all options are open as they look for savings to balance out the anticipated costs surrounding the stadium event. The acceptance event is an unexpected departure from the traditional convention hall format for which they have spent months planning.
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