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Posted on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 12:44:38 PM EST
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Did any of you wake up today and say, "This must be a nightmare, this can't be happening?" I sure did.

Late Night Show Hosts react to Trump. I'm sure everyone has their favorite, and you all know mine, and he did not disappoint.

Even his pitch at the end asking everyone to be nice to each other, including those who voted differently than we did, did not call for unity with political opponents on political issues, which I very much appreciated. He kept it human, devoid of politics. (Keep in mind, he's British and has only lived here a few years, he can't vote.)

On legalizing marijuana, James and Reggie are at their best.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I have no intention of being (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 02:08:07 PM EST
    nice to anyone. Turns out I live in a country full of vicious a-holes. Time to join that party. No more playing nice. Sedition now, sedition tomorrow, sedition forever!

    Michael Moore... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 02:10:06 PM EST
    touting a cure for our hangover with a 5 Point Plan to regroup.

    Nobody is going (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:00:40 PM EST
    To listen to him. POC are so insenced with him. When people needed an ally he dropped the ball

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    What did he do? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:12:56 PM EST
    I musta missed the kerfuffle.

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    You have to ask? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:24:37 PM EST
    A couple of times he made statements that almost sounded supportive of Sander's positions.

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    Actually he did a bit more than (none / 0) (#11)
    by vicndabx on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:51:28 PM EST
    make a few supportive statements.

    During Saturday’s Democratic presidential debate, the liberal documentary filmmaker tweeted, “I love Hillary. I do. But how can we vote for her? After what she did in taking us to war? Who doesn’t believe she’d do it again?”

    Now admittedly, as we got closer to election day his public statements were more careful and supportive, but an argument could be made he was a Bernie or buster for a bit.  As evidenced by the initial post, obviously the man has some influence on young white voters.

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    He wants the party (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:50:18 PM EST
    Taken over by the very people and voters that abandoned Hillary on Tuesday. These people either couldn't bother to show up or voted third party.therefore they were fine with POC under Trump.

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    Who abandoned who again? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:59:53 PM EST


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    Bernie Bros (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:06:34 PM EST
    abandoned women, POC, gays, Muslims, etc.

    While it will be mean, I can't wait until they start whining about all the bad things happening under a Trump presidency, and then I can shrug my shoulders and say, "Millions of us told you so."

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    Didn't you support Romney (3.67 / 3) (#22)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:29:23 PM EST
    in 2012, jb?

    Did you have epiphany between then and now?

    What sort of specific, concrete evidence can you provide that the "Bernie Bros" were unconcerned about and meant for us to abandon women, gays, muslims etc etc?

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    What I'm hearing is that (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:54:37 PM EST
    some folks don't believe in democracy, free speech, and open debate within the Democratic Party.

    One faction is allowed to talk and everyone else is expected to listen and that's it.

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    Despite the fact that you desperately keep trying (none / 0) (#27)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 05:58:22 PM EST
    To make it so, alas it is not.   But like Trumpkins everywhere, you like to live in your own little delusions.

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    No actual examples (3.50 / 2) (#32)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 07:13:32 PM EST
    Ok, let's move on then.

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    You must have seen this coming, jondee. (4.25 / 4) (#41)
    by NYShooter on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 09:27:03 PM EST
    As many (most?) sentient commenters left this fanboy echo chamber months ago, it was inevitable for those remaining to start eating their own.

    Suggestion to you, my friend: If you're determined to remain posting here, you may want to consider changing your screen name to, "ditto." For, if you dare expressing an independent thought you'll have to get used to being accused of being a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, and, fascist. Oh, I forgot, and, of course...."Troll."

    p.s. jondee, maybe you can help me here. Do you have any insight into whatever happened to Yman? He left posting here for quite a while. I really missed him as he always had intelligent, insightful things to say. However, upon his return though, he seems to have join right in to the, "agree, or, shut up," crowd? Oh, well....

    Anyway, best wishes and happy holidays, jondee. At least one good came out of all this. I hope I never hear the cover-everything retort, "Nothingburger," ever again,

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    Thanks Shooter, you're one of a kind (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 10:38:26 PM EST
    which unfortunately, in some quarters at some times, can be a both a blessing and a curse.

    C'est la vie.

    Obviously I can't speak for Yman, other than to reflect on the fact that these last few months have had a lot of us somewhat at the end of our respective tethers -- which manifests in different ways depending on the individual.

    Happy holidays and take care of yourself and don't let the Trumpanzees getcha.

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    I don't understand this (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by vicndabx on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 10:55:27 PM EST
    I've been challenged on a number of occasions and I never thought of it as people trying to "eat their own." On the contrary I thought it was the way people discussed and disagreed in a civilized manner, i.e. debate.  

    I don't understand how someone is stifling views if you control your own keyboard.


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    Actually, you miss the point (none / 0) (#56)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 15, 2016 at 03:05:59 PM EST
    When jondee is called out, or his precious Bernie is "demonized" in his mind, he reverts to being fact free and he really loves to pull out the. "Well, you supported Romney" BS.

    He's tried it for 4 years now and it's still ad wrong and boring as it was then...

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    $hit...women abandoned women (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 09:41:49 PM EST


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    I don't get it. I'll never get it (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 10:52:03 PM EST
    And, the ones that say "I just don't trust Hillary" couldn't tell you three true things about Hillary.

    But they trust Trump.

    Truly mind boggling.

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    Saw some of the Oakland protest (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 11:21:42 PM EST
    I'm blown away. Have protested, and gotta say, Oakland is ENRAGED. I'm not making a judgement, they have every right to feel how they feel. Just blown away at the energy, the level of rage.

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    White women (none / 0) (#52)
    by Towanda on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 02:02:05 PM EST
    I am seeing the percentage for white women being misstated as the percentage for all women. . . .

    And the numbers are still not final, after all.  The Election Project is updating numbers, as they come in -- and reports that turnout actually was higher than in 2012.  

    So, let's remember that a lot of numbers now are being compared with final numbers for previous elections.  Ripened apples vs. orange blossoms.

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    10 pts (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 02:00:31 AM EST


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    from what i read (none / 0) (#33)
    by linea on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 07:57:59 PM EST
    hillary lost states that voted for obama twice. seems silly to blame bernie sanders supporters for that.

    CNN Politics, "How Hillary Clinton lost"

    African-American, Latino and younger voters failed to show up at the polls in sufficient numbers Tuesday to propel Clinton into the White House.


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    Read into the numbers better (none / 0) (#53)
    by Towanda on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 02:06:24 PM EST
    by state.  In my state, the difference in votes was reported as less than 1 percent between Clinton and that orange lout -- with more than 5 percent of the ballots for third-parties, and especially in counties where Sanders voters vowed to not vote for the Democratic nominee . . . since Sanders wasn't a real Democrat, either -- and is not one now.

    And the numbers still are not final, especially from the largest city in my state.  The margin was so narrow that there are enough uncounted ballots to trigger an automatic recount.

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    From Cohen's last letter to his dying muse, (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:16:02 PM EST
    Marianne Ihlen, just before her death in July:

    "It said well Marianne it's come to this time when we are really so old and our bodies are falling apart and I think I will follow you very soon. Know that I am so close behind you that if you stretch out your hand, I think you can reach mine.

    "And you know that I've always loved you for your beauty and your wisdom, but I don't need to say anything more about that because you know all about that. But now, I just want to wish you a very good journey. Goodbye old friend. Endless love, see you down the road."

    So long, Marianne

    Leonard Cohen: a life as an outsider - in pictures

    Like a bird on a wire (none / 0) (#47)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 11:32:32 PM EST
    like a drunk in a midnight choir

    I have tried in my own way to be free.

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    Anti-gay groups, (none / 0) (#1)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 01:53:44 PM EST
    Family Research Council, Heritage Foundation and NOM, are excited about the Trump win.  They look forward to Trump moving against LGBT people on many fronts, such as so-called religious liberty laws that give the right, for example, to refuse to bake for gays; appoint Supreme Court justices who will reverse Obergefell (marriage equality); rescind President Obama's executive actions protecting LGBT people; remove protections for trans people. These goals are a part of the Republican platform on which Trump ran.

    Devastating...... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 02:12:21 PM EST
    God please let him be nothing but a wind bag emotionally insecure conjob who can't stand to have everyone screaming and crying in front of Trump Tower. Please please please!

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    Well, we knew all this didn't we? (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:17:41 PM EST
    even the "social liberals."

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    i googled "trump on gay rights" (none / 0) (#40)
    by linea on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:48:54 PM EST
    and contradictory articles are displayed. these articles say he is more accepting that most republican candidates:

    Donald Trump holds high the flag for gay equality - Washington Times

    Donald Trump's More Accepting Views on Gay Issues Set Him Apart in G.O.P. - The New York Times

    but other articles state the exact opposite.

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    The real problem is that Trump (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 01:08:02 AM EST
    will buy, sell, and trade any part of any policy to get the deal he wants.

    To him it's just 'business.'

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    That Is Not So Bad (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by RickyJim on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:29:02 AM EST
    What scares me is that I am still not sure what Trump really wants and am not even sure that he does.  One thing I heard is that during the campaign, Trump's favorite companion was his son in law, Jared Kushner, age 35, whose soft voice was said to soothe the candidate.  At one time, Kushner was a Democrat.  If he is appointed a presidential advisor, his views, whatever they are, may be very influential.

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    Trump and President Obama (none / 0) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 02:16:38 PM EST
    met at the White House today.  The president, of course, was gracious. Trump was, as CNN reported, constrained--which may mean Trump did not demand Obama's birth certificate. Trump was nice, saying it was great meeting the president.

    If Trump wants amends he should start by honoring the president by announcing that he wants Merrick Garland to be Supreme Court associate justice and will expect the Senate to confirm him, acknowledging that Republicans should have acted on the president's nomination, noting that he, like the president, are elected to four-year terms.

    Amends! (none / 0) (#8)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:18:01 PM EST
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! From that sociopath. Not in your lifetime.

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    I don't want Garland (none / 0) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 07:09:20 PM EST
    to be on the Supreme Court
    I don't want any more ex prosecutors on the court

    I suspect his first pick will be someone like Jay Bybee

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    So this happened to a friend of mine (none / 0) (#12)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:59:05 PM EST
    This morning, a Trump supporter literally chased me down the street screaming obscenities at me. There was a "Hillary for Prison sign" attached to the speed limit sign in my neighborhood. So I stopped to see if I could take it down or whether I needed to call VDOT. He came barreling out of his house toward me, yelling the F-word, screaming that the sign was private property (despite being attached to a speed limit sign and clearly on public property) and calling me some lovely choice words. Frightened, I got in my car and locked the door and he came up the window, looking like he was going to do some serious damage to my car. I drove off and he literally ran into the street running behind my car chasing me. I reported it to the police and have called VDOT to take down the sign.

    Shortly after that, as I walked to get a cup of coffee with a colleague, we saw a swastika spray painted on the wall. In Arlington VA. In 2016.

    THIS is what frightens me about the Trump win. Not Trump himself. Not Republicans being in power. None of that. In his quest to win, Trump's words of anger and divisiveness unleashed a horrible monster of hatred in our country. He has emboldened every racist, bigot, angry American to unleash their hatred. I desperately pray that our nation can find peace and love and understanding and tolerance.
    But Trump just (none / 0) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:20:15 PM EST
     said all those terrible things and exploited those racist, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynistic  people as a strategy to get elected.  Now, please forget all that stuff and respect the office of the presidency and Trump.  

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    My wife expressed a desire (none / 0) (#29)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 06:03:02 PM EST
    For CCW permit tonight. She is white but frightened now in her own country.

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    there really isnt much desire (none / 0) (#35)
    by linea on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:14:45 PM EST
    for real gun control by democrats is there? not critcizing (smile). just an observation.

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    Former Republican (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:25:59 PM EST
    Congressman, Aaron Schock, was indicted by a grand jury on 14 counts involving a scheme to defraud the government, his campaign committees, and others for his direct benefit and the benefit of others. Rep. Schock drew particular attention when he decorated his congressional office in the style of Downton Abbey.

    Cool your jets Vic. (none / 0) (#23)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:31:58 PM EST
    I clicked on a FB link and it went to the videos.

    What do you think of the vids?

    Of course they're terrible (none / 0) (#25)
    by vicndabx on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:39:29 PM EST
    as is JB's post.

    I expect more tension between us all now.  I'm not surprised.

    Parent

    link has been removed (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 07:11:53 PM EST
    get your own site if you want to link to garbage like that. I don't want it here.

    Parent
    Fair enough, ugly stuff for sure. (none / 0) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:21:15 PM EST


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    Leonard Cohen has died (none / 0) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:04:52 PM EST
    at 82.

    I spent last night listening to Cohen, sad into the night...

    Oh, that's sad. (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:15:42 PM EST
    We had just bought his last album, "You Want It Darker," only two weeks ago, and it's a perfectly fitting and wonderful valedictory to a lifetime of artistic achievement. He'll be missed.

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    Last night, I played Joan of Arc (none / 0) (#39)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:41:16 PM EST
    half a dozen or more times.  This is  
    the version Jennifer Warnes and Cohen shared.

    That's from Warne's album, Famous Blue Raincoat.  

    When I listened, (and why I listened so often): I saw Hillary Clinton and the pedestal upon which she was chained, burning in the impossible hopes and expectations of her haters and lovers.  Can you imagine the agony Clinton feels?

     

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    I'll always be with her. (none / 0) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 01:48:54 AM EST
    Hillary Clinton did not deserve what happened to her during this campaign. There will come a time in the hopefully not-so-distant future, when people will reassess her performance much more favorably, the same way they eventually did of Helen Gahagan Douglas's 1950 CA Senate campaign against Richard Nixon. Like Trump, Nixon won the race by going very ugly and earning the political epithet "Tricky Dick" from her in the process, which stuck with him until his dying day.

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    Dude, you're the man (none / 0) (#51)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 12:46:15 PM EST
    I always read your color commentary.

    My feelings are confused with the admiration and respect I have for my wife, who fought her way to a very high place within a male dominated engineering and manufacturing giant.  Struggles that are an abstraction to most people, something that's talked about women doing, to me are concrete, even at my remove.

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    Leon Russell, RIP (none / 0) (#55)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 02:30:01 PM EST
    Leon Russell, Songwriter and Performer, Dies at 74

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