So I still think its likely she was raped, but these guys may get away with it because they will stonewall it based on their tribal solidarity.

A defense attorney says time-stamped photographs will show an exotic dancer was already injured and "very impaired" when she arrived at a party where she claims she was raped by members of Duke University's men's lacrosse team. Sadly, it looks as if the guys who raped her at the party will get away with it - just like 90% of rapists always do, especially white men raping black women, especially when the woman can be claimed to be a loose woman.

It will also be a wedge between "town and gown," which I gather has been a problem between Duke and Durham already.

A defense attorney says time-stamped photographs will show an exotic dancer was already injured and "very impaired" when she arrived at a party

Something bad happened at that party.

Those three were not the one's alleged to have committed the rape.

Medical records and interviews that were obtained by a subpoena revealed that the vicitm had signs, symptoms and injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally.

In an interview with MSNBC's Rita Cosby aired Monday night, the accuser's father said his daughter had positively identified her three attackers as members of the lacrosse team.

Father: "And she ID'd them through the mug shot." Cosby: "Was she able to ID all three?" Father: "Yes." Cosby: "Positively?" Father: "Yes." Cosby: "No doubt in her mind it was those three?" Father: "No, no doubt in her mind, she says those were the three that did it." Cosby: "Were all three members of the lacrosse team?" Father: "Yes, I think they were."

Are we suggesting that, if she was raped at the Duke pary, McFadyen did it?

Lets face it, she's not the most credible person. She's an unwed mother, who's a stripper, and she has a record of violence.

No DNA material from any young man tested was present on the body of this complaining woman - not present within her body, not present on the surface of her body, and not present on any of her belongings - not present on any of the articles or materials she had with her including her clothing. No DNA from any young man tested was found anywhere on or about the body of this woman.

There is no DNA evidence that shows any of these boys were touched by her fingernails.

REPORTER: There was no DNA taken from any of the materials in the bathroom - the towels, the rugs, the paper towels? CHESHIRE: There was, and I will say this to you all, there was DNA found of two of the boys on a towel and on the floor, but you need to remember that none of that matches up with her in any way, shape or form and that the bathroom where this DNA was found happened to be the bathroom of the two boys that the DNA was found.

DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There is none of her DNA any where present where she alleges this rape occurred - in a bathroom.

"They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said. Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently.

Well, I hope that everyone who called her a whore is ready to apologize.

That is a joke, right?

Wonder if we will see an apology to the Lacrosse team for all the sick things they have been called. Oh right, they are whilte males so it doesn't matter.

Call me naive, but had all of the players given statements to the DA from the outset I believe they would be in a better position today.

People are willing to forgive just about anything, it's the cover-up or ass-covering that people can not stomach.

You can see why I am not a defense attorney

Wrong... They did the right thing by keeping their mouths shut and letting their attorneys do the talking.

Except when it comes to sexual assaults. In case you haven't noticed, even an allegation of a sex offense is damaging.

You can see why I am not a defense attorney.

Yes, that's not too difficult to infer.

I believe the damage did not come from the allegations, but from the players' attorneys' response to the allegations.

There's a difference between thinking strategically and thinking morally.

No DNA that matched the players was found on or within or on the surface of the accuser's body or any of her belongings or clothing. Not even under her fingernails. Given that mitochondrial DNA (from hair samples) and epithelial DNA (from shed skin cells on clothing, for example) takes significantly longer to process that sperm sample DNA (up to three weeks), whereas a sperm sample (if the rapist didn't use a condom) can be processed in 48 hours, the defense attorneys are presumably trying to take pressure off their clients by (a) hoping that people will forget that not all the DNA samples can possibly have been processed yet, and (b) hoping that most people will confuse "have not yet found linking DNA proof" with "so no one raped the victim and she must have been lying". We know from medical evidence that she was raped. There were 45 men at the party who might have done it: it may be impossible to trace the three who did it when the 43 witnesses to the crime shut up and if there really is no DNA evidence to prove which three men raped her. If the 43 witnesses realize that by refusing to testify to what they saw they have succeeded in bringing each one of themselves under the clear suspicion of being guilty of rape, it's just possible that public shame may bring one or more of them forward to break the silence. I hope so.

I don't think "every" prosecutor is relevant. Have you got a problem with this prosecutor? Has he shown himself to be "overzealous?" What would you have done differently?

but I believe their reputations have been tarnished far more by this wall of silence technique than they would have been had they risked acting like standard everyday good citizens.

12. That every freeman ought to find a certain remedy, by recourse to the laws, for all injuries and wrongs he may receive in his person, property, or character; he ought to obtain right and justice freely without sale, completely and without denial, promptly and without delay; and that all establishments or regulations contravening these rights are oppressive and unjust.

Interesting... The damage was a direct result of the allegations, not the lack of response from the accused. They do, after all, have the right to remain silent... End of discussion.

Members of the Durham and Duke community have criticized the players for stonewalling investigators by not coming forward with full information about the party.

Except for a statement released by team captains denying "unequivocally" that a sexual assault had occurred, the players have not spoken about or cooperated with the investigation, prosecutors said. Critics on campus have referred to their silence as the "Blue Wall.

Angry over the team members' silence and the university's handling of the case, Durham residents have demonstrated on and off campus in the past few days. They rallied outside the house where the alleged attack occurred, and gathered outside of Duke Provost Peter Lange's home, where they banged on pots and pans until he emerged to answer questions. Lange said Monday that he believes "the students would be well-advised to come forward. They have chosen not to."

The cancellation of their lacrosse games is no small thing to these young men. If they had cooperated with the investigation and apologized for the racial slurs they may have saved their season and spared both their coach and Duke's lacrosse program.

The only right, among the many we have now listed, that I think currently is being abridged is the dancer's right to a fair trial. Her justice is being delayed and jeopardized by the manipulation of evidence by the Duke students attorneys.

What it they'd come forward and insisted that none of them did it?

Think that would have ended things?

Or does "come forward" mean admitting something, even if you didn't do it?

That's a huge leap of faith.

Which came first, the lawyers' putting up the Blue wall, or the prosecution going public?

The players come forward and admit to college boy stuff and the rape accusation goes away?

The DNA testing of the three players the witness named (and possibly picked out of a photo ID line-up) would have gone forward, but I don't see how the University would have had grounds to cancel their season.

The players come forward and say it didn't happen and the rape accusation, and the campus outrage and the national coverage go away?

It being a free country, you can say whatever you want. But who do you think would believe it?

I have a hard time believing somebody's trying to get this over on the rest of us.

March 30 Defense lawyers call a press conference, saying DNA tests will exonerate the players. March 31 Police say they were at the house 30 minutes before the alleged victim called, responding to a disturbance call. Officers say they saw nothing unusual there.

8. That, in all capital and criminal prosecutions, a man hath a right to demand the cause and nature of his accusation, to be confronted with the accusers and witnesses, to call for evidence, and be allowed counsel in his favor, and a fair and speedy trial by an impartial jury of his vicinage, without whose unanimous consent he cannot be found guilty, (except in the government of the land and naval forces;) nor can he be compelled to give evidence against himself. 9. That no freeman ought to be taken, imprisoned, or disseized of his freehold, liberties, privileges, or franchises, or outlawed or exiled, or in any manner destroyed, or deprived of his life, liberty, or property, but by the law of the land. 10. That every freeman, restrained of his liberty, is entitled to a remedy to inquire into the lawfulness thereof, and to remove the same if unlawful; and that such remedy ought not to be denied nor delayed. 11. That, in controversies respecting property, and in suits between man and man, the ancient trial by jury is one of the greatest securities to the rights of the people, and ought to remain sacred and inviolable.

I respect people who prefer moral choices over strategic ones. The Duke students have compromised that dancer's right to a fair trial

I respect people who prefer moral choices over strategic ones.